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22 Aug 2011, 2:35 pm

The primaries have not yet been held, so this nutcase is no threat.


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22 Aug 2011, 3:37 pm

Fnord wrote:
The primaries have not yet been held, so this nutcase is no threat.

Don't be so sure. His competition is Bachmann and Romney.


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22 Aug 2011, 3:45 pm

Orwell wrote:
Fnord wrote:
The primaries have not yet been held, so this nutcase is no threat.

Don't be so sure. His competition is Bachmann and Romney.


Romney is sane, even if he is LDS.

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22 Aug 2011, 3:52 pm

Sane perhaps, but a complete scumbag. But sanity is not relevant to GOP primary voters. Two of the three frontrunners are certifiably nuts.

And what's wrong with Romney being Mormon? The only other sane Republican in the race is also a Mormon.


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22 Aug 2011, 4:11 pm

Stop discounting Ron Paul, Orwell



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22 Aug 2011, 4:14 pm

I said sane. And no, Ron Paul does not have any chance.


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22 Aug 2011, 4:23 pm

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I said sane. And no, Ron Paul does not have any chance.


or so goes the media meme

he polls just as well as Bachmann if not better and people talk about her constantly.



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22 Aug 2011, 4:39 pm

Jacoby wrote:
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I said sane. And no, Ron Paul does not have any chance.


or so goes the media meme

he polls just as well as Bachmann if not better and people talk about her constantly.


Yeah but Bachmann has a vagina, and politics is like a big episode of Jersey Shore. In fact, I'd bet just about every guy on that show is as much of a slut as that Snookie girl, but she gets all the fame.



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22 Aug 2011, 5:37 pm

Jacoby wrote:
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I said sane. And no, Ron Paul does not have any chance.


or so goes the media meme

he polls just as well as Bachmann if not better and people talk about her constantly.


Are you talking about national polls or the horrendously unrepresentative Iowa Republican Straw Poll? And, if any candidate actually considered him a threat, they could easily eviscorate him with the public on the basis of his fringe views on government's scope (as well as the hypocrisy of "taking a stand against bloated budget bills" while showering them with ear-marks for his district's pet projects).


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22 Aug 2011, 6:11 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Orwell wrote:
I said sane. And no, Ron Paul does not have any chance.


or so goes the media meme

he polls just as well as Bachmann if not better and people talk about her constantly.


Are you talking about national polls or the horrendously unrepresentative Iowa Republican Straw Poll? And, if any candidate actually considered him a threat, they could easily eviscorate him with the public on the basis of his fringe views on government's scope (as well as the hypocrisy of "taking a stand against bloated budget bills" while showering them with ear-marks for his district's pet projects).


Yes, national polls. Look them up if you want. If Bachmann is a frontrunner, then you can't say Ron Paul isn't. They sure as heck can't be bringing up turds like Newt Gingrich, Jon Huntsman, or Herman Cain before him either.

If you watched the last debate, you would of saw that he was attacked a bunch for his "fringe" views on Iran. The problem for his opponents is that Americans tend to agree more with Ron Paul's point of view on things than whatever the corporate owned media says is the "mainstream". Most Americans are deluded enough by the media that they think Obama is some sort of anti-war social liberal who is crusading against corporate America.

'And please, I've already debunked the whole earmarks bologna. You may as well of brought up the newsletter stuff they've been trying to smear him with for the last 15+ years.



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22 Aug 2011, 6:15 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Orwell wrote:
I said sane. And no, Ron Paul does not have any chance.


or so goes the media meme

he polls just as well as Bachmann if not better and people talk about her constantly.


Are you talking about national polls or the horrendously unrepresentative Iowa Republican Straw Poll? And, if any candidate actually considered him a threat, they could easily eviscorate him with the public on the basis of his fringe views on government's scope (as well as the hypocrisy of "taking a stand against bloated budget bills" while showering them with ear-marks for his district's pet projects).

A recent Gallup poll did hypothetical match-ups of Bachmann, Perry, Romney, and Paul against Obama. Each match-up was within the margin of error.

Anyways, stating that he has no chance is more or less a matter of fact. You can blame that fact on unfavorable or limited media coverage compared to other candidates, but it doesn't change the fact that Paul's not going to win. If he did somehow win the GOP nomination, he would be way too easy to smear. There's the racist newsletter he used to run (yes, he claims that he wasn't actually involved in its day-to-day workings at the time, but that doesn't mean it can't be a good scandal), and there's his stance on Social Security. 80%-90% of the American electorate will refuse to support Paul's stance on Social Security, and it's damn hard to win elections when you can turn 90% of the country against you with only one issue.


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22 Aug 2011, 6:37 pm

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Yes, national polls. Look them up if you want.


Uh, you're the one making the claims. I sorta think it's your responsibility to dig up the evidence, but I'll humour you and do the work.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -1452.html

The data is confusing, it seems that they include stats from the 2008 primaries as well, but whatever. Paul usually places "fourth", generally a few points behind Bachmann (though he occasionally ties or beats her).

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If Bachmann is a frontrunner, then you can't say Ron Paul isn't. They sure as heck can't be bringing up turds like Newt Gingrich, Jon Huntsman, or Herman Cain before him either.


He's in the top four, though he has less name recognition and establishment ties then Gingrich, Huntsman, or Cain (who, to be fair to the media, have progressively received less coverage as it's become apparent that their corporate ties aren't going to overcome their personal unpopularity with primary voters).

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If you watched the last debate, you would of saw that he was attacked a bunch for his "fringe" views on Iran. The problem for his opponents is that Americans tend to agree more with Ron Paul's point of view on things than whatever the corporate owned media says is the "mainstream". Most Americans are deluded enough by the media that they think Obama is some sort of anti-war social liberal who is crusading against corporate America.


So? He might not lose on defense policy, but in a general election he'll be crushed on his views over domestic social spending. Although I'd love to see a repeat of LBJ vs Goldwater, with the cavet that this time Goldwater won't even win the hawkish lunatic fringe.

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And please, I've already debunked the whole earmarks bologna.


I don't care if you think you've "debunked it" on the basis of some Pauline rationalization. The fact remains that it's very easy to bash out of control spending and government overstepping its bounds when you're core consituency realistically won't be affected by your protestations.

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You may as well of brought up the newsletter stuff they've been trying to smear him with for the last 15+ years.


The fact that "you lent your name to a newsletter ran by a racist and benefit from White Supramacist fundraisers" may not danage you in a rural, Texas district doesn't mean it wouldn't damage in a general election.

Lastly, this passage epitomizes the esscence of Ron Paul and his soon to be "success" in the actual primaries:

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So for months, the Paultards have been telling us that Ron Paul's results among republicans didn't matter, because he would steal so many votes from the democrats and the republicans. In Michigan, they got to put that idea to the test, since Michigan didn't have any delegates for the democrats, Obama and Edwards didn't participate, and people were allowed to cross party lines. How did Ron Paul fare? Not so well. Stick a fork in him, Jim.

On a different note, here's a question I've been having for a while: A lot of Paultards will defend Ron Paul's opposition to the Rosa Parks medal, because it's unconstitutional. But what, specifically make a congressional medal constitutional? I mean, would military medals be unconstitutional as well? After looking into the matter, it turns out that the first congressional medal was awarded in 1776 to George Washington, and they've been given out ever since. But for some reason, Ron Paul is apparently the first man in American history to find this unconstitutional. Thank you, Ron Paul, for displaying that your strict adherence to the constitution is more rigid than the founding fathers themselves.

It's also weird, when you consider that just last month, Ron Paul was on TV saying that the civil war was unnecessary, and that Lincoln should have compensated slave owners in exchange for freeing the slaves. Where in the constitution does it allow for that? Where in America has there been a precedent for that? So rewarding slave owners with hard cash because they enslaved people is okay, but rewarding Rosa Park with a gold medal for her role in the civil rights movement is not? WTF? I guess that in Ron Paul's world, Rosa Parks deserves to be treated worse than a slave owner. Great. And people wonder why Ron Paul is called a racist.


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22 Aug 2011, 6:42 pm

Orwell wrote:
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The primaries have not yet been held, so this nutcase is no threat.

Don't be so sure. His competition is Bachmann and Romney.

Or Obama.

8O :eew: :tired:

We're doomed.


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22 Aug 2011, 6:46 pm

Orwell wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Orwell wrote:
I said sane. And no, Ron Paul does not have any chance.


or so goes the media meme

he polls just as well as Bachmann if not better and people talk about her constantly.


Are you talking about national polls or the horrendously unrepresentative Iowa Republican Straw Poll? And, if any candidate actually considered him a threat, they could easily eviscorate him with the public on the basis of his fringe views on government's scope (as well as the hypocrisy of "taking a stand against bloated budget bills" while showering them with ear-marks for his district's pet projects).

A recent Gallup poll did hypothetical match-ups of Bachmann, Perry, Romney, and Paul against Obama. Each match-up was within the margin of error.

Anyways, stating that he has no chance is more or less a matter of fact. You can blame that fact on unfavorable or limited media coverage compared to other candidates, but it doesn't change the fact that Paul's not going to win. If he did somehow win the GOP nomination, he would be way too easy to smear. There's the racist newsletter he used to run (yes, he claims that he wasn't actually involved in its day-to-day workings at the time, but that doesn't mean it can't be a good scandal), and there's his stance on Social Security. 80%-90% of the American electorate will refuse to support Paul's stance on Social Security, and it's damn hard to win elections when you can turn 90% of the country against you with only one issue.


I agree that Paul wouldn't win the nomination, but I think Jacoby's annoyance with the lack of coverage is totally valid. He does speak to a significant segment of the population, particularly the younger generations. Granted it's not a very large group, but neither are the Bachmann followers. She plays the game and he's a true believer. It's not in the interest of the media to cover him.

I don't agree with him on many, many issues, but I respect his sincerity and I don't think he'd succumb to the special interests the way that most of the others do. He's like a reverse Nader. Yes, he's absolutely racist, but Bachmann's a homophobe. She deserves the batsh*t award just as much as Paul does, IMO.



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22 Aug 2011, 6:51 pm

Don't get me wrong, #5. I am the last person in the world to defend Bachmann's sanity. She's a total loon. But she's also leading in the polls and building up a sizable political movement behind her. Paul is a curiosity. Bachmann is a genuine danger.


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