Is Holocaust Denial the same as defending Adolf Hitler Natio
Is Holocaust Denial the same as defending Adolf Hitler National Socialism/Nazism/Racism and or Nazi Germany and the Nazis what Im asking is do people who deny the Holocaust want to defend Adolf Hitler and make him look like a good person in my opinion the answer is yes because most Holocaust Deniers are Neo Nazis and Racists and Anti Semites and hate all Jews does anyone agree with me I also want to say one more thing I understand why Neo Nazis and Racists and or White Supremacists and Fascists deny the Jewish Holocaust but why do some Muslims deny the Holocaust I don't get it because Muslims did not do that evil thing Nazi Germany did ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial
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at the hands of Adolf Hitler and his Nazi regime
Given the evidence ... why do people deny the Holocaust?
The cynical truth comes to us by way of an obscure extremist group, which boasts:
"The real purpose of holocaust revisionism is to make
National Socialism an acceptable political alternative again."
http://www.nizkor.org/
Not in Denial Anymore
Book Review by Andrew Stone, July 2002
Review of 'Telling Lies About Hitler', Richard J Evans, Verso �14 and 'The Holocaust on Trial', DD Guttenplan, Granta �9.99
http://www.socialistreview.org.uk/ar...clenumber=8083
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Even if the Confederates were not economically bound to slavery they would have preferred a less powerful central government. As it was, the folks in the Union (at that time) were just as racist as the folks in Dixie. While they did not approve of slavery they had no notion of black-white equality.
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About the original post: ofcourse its defending Hitler.
Atleast thats the motivation of white american and european holocaust deniers.
Not only do Western holocaust deniers tend to be neo nazis, and anti semites, and the like who defend Hitler, but they tend to be schziod about the issue: alternately denying AND celebrating the Holocaust.
Muslim Holocaust deniers are a bit different.
The Iranian president is not concerned with propping up Hitler, but with undermineing Israel.
The holocaust justified the creation of the state of Israel.
The movement to recreate the state of Israel predated Hitler but its central creed that Jews needed a Jewish state to protect them for persecution was given urgency by the Holocaust.
The Holocaust was the biggest example of the persecution of jews so its the biggest argument for the creation of Israel. Take away the Holocaust,and you take away much of the justification for and legitimacy of Israel. Or someone might think that.
So if you're a muslim middle easterner who opposes Israel you have that as a motivation to deny the Holocaust.
First of all, may I simply state my opinion, before developing on it, viz. - no, denying the holocaust is not equivalent with defending Adolf Hitler.
This kind of illogic is the reason for many of the social problems society faces. Just because some people in a group do something wrong, it doesn't mean their wrongs are attributable to their respective groups as a whole.
There are a lot of muslims who'd love to kill infidels without discrimination, however, this isn't to say all muslims would ,like to do so, and to suggest so is simple illogic.
Your statement, may to a large extent, be true, but it is nonetheless a gross generalisation - if all holocaust deniers are antisemitic neo-Nazis, then how do you explain the many JEWISH holocaust deniers (I myself am 1/4 Jewish), and various other egalitarian revisionists? I myself am an anti-fascist and socialist - would you describe me as being a neo-Nazi, simply because of my skepticism towards the conventionally accepted facts underlying the so-called holocaust?
SOME Muslims are skeptical about the holocaust because, as a result of the formation of Israel (which was formed largely as a result of the Holocaust), they are now seeing their own people displaced and murdered relentlessly, and, are understandably, angry at the Jewish people. Once again, I doubt the many Muslim Holocaust-revisionists are closet-Nazis - but just healthily looking for answers regarding the holes in the conventionally accepted model of the Holocaust.
Nobody denies the Holocaust as a whole - it's the numbers that people are often unwilling to accept - should we believe that 6million died simply because we're told so over and over again during the indoctr... - education we receive as youngsters? No, we need proof - incontestible proof - especially given the unprecedented influence that the hitherto unproven Holocaust has had on the social and political development of our contemporary world.
Once again: I do not deny the Holocaust, and accept that many Jewish people died in it, I'm simply saying that the numbers are well-inflated.
You've just said it all - without the Holocaust, Israel wouldn't exist, so why do you think it's important that the proponents of Zionism keep on reciting the details of it like the verses of a Holy Book?
With all the above in mind, I would like to remind everyone that it is my sincere hope that the above post will not offend, nor cause any bitterness or enmity between I and any other person on this forum - I'm simply posting this to spark up some lively and intelligent debate.
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This kind of illogic is the reason for many of the social problems society faces. Just because some people in a group do something wrong, it doesn't mean their wrongs are attributable to their respective groups as a whole.
There are a lot of muslims who'd love to kill infidels without discrimination, however, this isn't to say all muslims would ,like to do so, and to suggest so is simple illogic.
Your statement, may to a large extent, be true, but it is nonetheless a gross generalisation - if all holocaust deniers are antisemitic neo-Nazis, then how do you explain the many JEWISH holocaust deniers (I myself am 1/4 Jewish), and various other egalitarian revisionists? I myself am an anti-fascist and socialist - would you describe me as being a neo-Nazi, simply because of my skepticism towards the conventionally accepted facts underlying the so-called holocaust?
SOME Muslims are skeptical about the holocaust because, as a result of the formation of Israel (which was formed largely as a result of the Holocaust), they are now seeing their own people displaced and murdered relentlessly, and, are understandably, angry at the Jewish people. Once again, I doubt the many Muslim Holocaust-revisionists are closet-Nazis - but just healthily looking for answers regarding the holes in the conventionally accepted model of the Holocaust.
Nobody denies the Holocaust as a whole - it's the numbers that people are often unwilling to accept - should we believe that 6million died simply because we're told so over and over again during the indoctr... - education we receive as youngsters? No, we need proof - incontestible proof - especially given the unprecedented influence that the hitherto unproven Holocaust has had on the social and political development of our contemporary world.
Once again: I do not deny the Holocaust, and accept that many Jewish people died in it, I'm simply saying that the numbers are well-inflated.
You've just said it all - without the Holocaust, Israel wouldn't exist, so why do you think it's important that the proponents of Zionism keep on reciting the details of it like the verses of a Holy Book?
With all the above in mind, I would like to remind everyone that it is my sincere hope that the above post will not offend, nor cause any bitterness or enmity between I and any other person on this forum - I'm simply posting this to spark up some lively and intelligent debate.
I should mention that the men who were key to the Holocaust were themselves part Jewish; namely Adolf Hitler and Reinhard Heydrich. Being Jewish doesn't provide you a shield for fending off accusations pro-Nazi sentiment.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Not only a Holocaust denier, but a Holocaust denier that denies that he ( and anyone else) is a Holocaust Denier!
You are a unique and interesting political specimen.
No he isn't. Almost all racists, anti-Semites, holocaust deniers, etc claim not to be one.
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That depends on if you separate their economics and military ambitions. Hitler was given a golden opportunity to conduct a social experiment that looked promising to turn Germany's economy around in a really big way, but he used fear as his motivator for those that didn't sign onto the new order readily. Then he pissed everything away with a megalomaniacal crusade for world domination and mass genocide.
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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Bobby Fischer, the greatest chess player of all time, was also a Jew and a rabid anti-Semite.
Yes, I've heard his rantings before.
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Uggh, I really hate that the phrase "state's rights" has become such a dogwhistle for racism, as there are plenty of legitimate issues centering on state vs federal power that have nothing to do with racism. Medical marijuana comes immediately to mind, and is also often a glaring hypocrisy from conservatives who claim greater independence from federal law.
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Uggh, I really hate that the phrase "state's rights" has become such a dogwhistle for racism, as there are plenty of legitimate issues centering on state vs federal power that have nothing to do with racism. Medical marijuana comes immediately to mind, and is also often a glaring hypocrisy from conservatives who claim greater independence from federal law.
But it is undeniable that racism today rides with the call for state rights, particularly when coming from old Dixie.
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