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mikecartwright
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10 Oct 2011, 5:48 pm

Do you support Trade Unions ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_union



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10 Oct 2011, 6:22 pm

F*ck yeah. As a matter of fact, I've stuck this sticker on my bike:

http://www.northernsun.com/Labor-Moveme ... 00%29.html


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10 Oct 2011, 6:28 pm

mikecartwright wrote:
Do you support Trade Unions ?

NO!
Next question, please?


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10 Oct 2011, 6:54 pm

YES!
Because I support the freedom of assembly and the power of contracts.


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10 Oct 2011, 8:33 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
YES!
Because I support the freedom of assembly and the power of contracts.


pretty much this



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10 Oct 2011, 9:58 pm

the union saved my bacon. the union was in my corner when i had to deal with corrupt hospital management. the people opposed to unions are opposed to working-class folk having a voice in anything, IOW we are just disposable "lumpenproles" in their eyes, best not seen nor heard. i can do without union-hating teapubs disenfranchising me and the people i know :x



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10 Oct 2011, 10:31 pm

I used to work at a place where one of the executives had worked his way through college in the 80's as a corporate mole. In eastern michigan.

His job was to get a low-level factory floor job, join the union, and report back to executive leadership. He was paid quite richly for this, since his life was in danger and all.

What he told me was that every story I've ever heard about union thugs having people intimidated, beaten, and even killed is absolutely true. And there are a lot more stories like that, which most people have never heard.

And that every company he worked for that had a union like that had an executive team that had done something to richly deserve it.

So his position was that any corporation he helped lead should make damn certain that their employees have no reason to consider unionizing.

fwiw that company was a great place to work. Best place i've ever worked, aside from the fact that like most other turn-of-the-century tech companies they had not worked out how to make the accounts receivable number larger than the accounts payable number.



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10 Oct 2011, 11:05 pm

blauSamstag wrote:
I used to work at a place where one of the executives had worked his way through college in the 80's as a corporate mole. In eastern michigan.

His job was to get a low-level factory floor job, join the union, and report back to executive leadership. He was paid quite richly for this, since his life was in danger and all.

What he told me was that every story I've ever heard about union thugs having people intimidated, beaten, and even killed is absolutely true. And there are a lot more stories like that, which most people have never heard.

And that every company he worked for that had a union like that had an executive team that had done something to richly deserve it.

So his position was that any corporation he helped lead should make damn certain that their employees have no reason to consider unionizing.

fwiw that company was a great place to work. Best place i've ever worked, aside from the fact that like most other turn-of-the-century tech companies they had not worked out how to make the accounts receivable number larger than the accounts payable number.


Interesting anecdote, I'm not sure how 'much I'd gauge his credibility on that (even if he qualified his answer with "the company deserved it", he still isn't exactly the least conflicted of interest sort of source). From what I understand, the union-management relationship in America is atypically "adversarial" for the developed world, especially when contrasted with Germany.


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10 Oct 2011, 11:07 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
I used to work at a place where one of the executives had worked his way through college in the 80's as a corporate mole. In eastern michigan.

His job was to get a low-level factory floor job, join the union, and report back to executive leadership. He was paid quite richly for this, since his life was in danger and all.

What he told me was that every story I've ever heard about union thugs having people intimidated, beaten, and even killed is absolutely true. And there are a lot more stories like that, which most people have never heard.

And that every company he worked for that had a union like that had an executive team that had done something to richly deserve it.

So his position was that any corporation he helped lead should make damn certain that their employees have no reason to consider unionizing.

fwiw that company was a great place to work. Best place i've ever worked, aside from the fact that like most other turn-of-the-century tech companies they had not worked out how to make the accounts receivable number larger than the accounts payable number.


Interesting anecdote, I'm not sure how 'much I'd gauge his credibility on that (even if he qualified his answer with "the company deserved it", he still isn't exactly the least conflicted of interest sort of source). From what I understand, the union-management relationship in America is atypically "adversarial" for the developed world, especially when contrasted with Germany.


Well in germany they have that Metropolis film, where Freder explained that the company needs a heart to mediate communication between the head and the hands.



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10 Oct 2011, 11:10 pm

blauSamstag wrote:

Well in germany they have that Metropolis film, where Freder explained that the company needs a heart to mediate communication between the head and the hands.


Yeah, and in more concrete terms they have this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codetermination_in_Germany


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10 Oct 2011, 11:30 pm

No I do not support the Unions here is a reason why.

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawk ... page/full/

If you dont mind at least take a look at the link I agree with what the man is saying.

Of course Liberals and Democrats will hate it but Conservaties will at least agree with me :lol:



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10 Oct 2011, 11:31 pm

I should point out that as a tech worker i have not only never been a member of a trade union, i am actually exempt from a lot of labor regulations that non-tech-workers are protected by.

Like even if i weren't a salaried employee i wouldn't get paid overtime.

_most_ tech companies don't seem to abuse their employees much, but some do, and i hope for a future when, say, technical support operators can unionize. But i realize that in this market that won't happen until india, china, and a few other countries have reached a saturation point.



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10 Oct 2011, 11:32 pm

Government unions are bankrupting cities and states: Government unions have bled billions from taxpayers nationally, but the damage they're doing on the local level is even worse. We have cities and states all across the country that are so behind on their bills that there have been genuine discussions about bankruptcy. There are a lot of irresponsible financial policies that have helped contribute to that sorry state-of-affairs, but unquestionably, the biggest backbreakers can be directly traced back to the unions.



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11 Oct 2011, 1:02 am

depends on what they want... the union isn't bad if they are reasonable. If they scare away VW, BMW, Mercedes, Nissan, Toyota, or Honda away from building factories in America, and make it unprofitable for our corporations to build stuff here to export elsewhere, then no.


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11 Oct 2011, 1:22 am

Yes, I am a member of the Australian Labor Party.


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11 Oct 2011, 4:20 am

91 wrote:
Yes, I am a member of the Australian Labor Party.


Your labor unions are not auxiliary branches of the Mafia.

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