why do many generalisations seem to arise out of negativity?

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08 Oct 2011, 1:27 pm

i had not noticed this before coming to WP, and it is not the case for all people. a great many are able to avoid generalisations at all, others generalise only in certain areas (i.e. only gender/politics/religion/ethnicity), still others generalise both positively and negatively, etc... but it is a general pattern overall that when generalisations are present in conversation they are usually negative.



example....

person X tries a doughnut for the first time. it is a jelly doughnut and tastes good. so person X freely states that s/he likes jelly doughnuts. s/he is open to trying other types but does not usually generalise to say, "i love doughnuts."

person Y tries a doughnut for the first time. it is a jelly doughnut and tastes horrid. so person Y freely states that s/he dislikes doughnuts. s/he is not open to trying other types because their attitude expands to include all doughnuts in a negative light.



once that negative generalisation is formed, it seems like person Y will seek out confirmation of his/her assumptions. if person Z eats a maggot-infested chocolate glazed doughnut, then person Y attributes it to the fact that all doughnuts suck. person X may decide that s/he doesn't want one from that batch but will likely be open to trying a chocolate glazed doughnut from another store or from another batch, and whether or not it tastes good to them will not affect their positive impression of jelly doughnuts specifically.

what i have found is that it is hard to combat negative generalisations because there isn't a polar opposite in most cases to balance it out. when person Y states that all doughnuts are bad, person X cannot/will not really respond that all doughnuts are good. the only argument is that doughnuts might be good or bad depending on the individual doughnuts themselves, or based on personal tastes. it is a weak argument (though true), and does not pack the punch that negativity holds.



anyways... please explain to me why so many people seem to generalise more often from negative experiences than positive ones... or if you disagree i am interested in hearing that too.


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08 Oct 2011, 1:37 pm

Evolutionary defense against poison.

person X tries a berry for the first time. it is a Current and tastes good. so person X freely states that s/he likes blue berries . s/he is open to trying other types but does not usually generalise to say, "I will eat all berries"

person Y tries a Berry for the first time. it is a Yew Berry and tastes horrid and cause staggering gait, muscle tremors, convulsions, collapse, difficulty breathing, coldness and eventually heart failure. so person Y freely states that s/he dislikes berries. s/he is not open to trying other types because their attitude expands to include all berries in a negative light.


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08 Oct 2011, 2:09 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
Evolutionary defense against poison.

person X tries a berry for the first time. it is a Current and tastes good. so person X freely states that s/he likes blue berries . s/he is open to trying other types but does not usually generalise to say, "I will eat all berries"

person Y tries a Berry for the first time. it is a Yew Berry and tastes horrid and cause staggering gait, muscle tremors, convulsions, collapse, difficulty breathing, coldness and eventually heart failure. so person Y freely states that s/he dislikes berries. s/he is not open to trying other types because their attitude expands to include all berries in a negative light.

ok, that seems reasonable.

so... why are some people different? it isn't completely universal to negatively generalise. are some people more capable of thinking rationally, above and beyond instinct? or is it because of education, or some kind of learned or natural openmindedness?


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08 Oct 2011, 2:21 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Evolutionary defense against poison.

person X tries a berry for the first time. it is a Current and tastes good. so person X freely states that s/he likes blue berries . s/he is open to trying other types but does not usually generalise to say, "I will eat all berries"

person Y tries a Berry for the first time. it is a Yew Berry and tastes horrid and cause staggering gait, muscle tremors, convulsions, collapse, difficulty breathing, coldness and eventually heart failure. so person Y freely states that s/he dislikes berries. s/he is not open to trying other types because their attitude expands to include all berries in a negative light.

ok, that seems reasonable.

so... why are some people different? it isn't completely universal to negatively generalise. are some people more capable of thinking rationally, above and beyond instinct? or is it because of education, or some kind of learned or natural openmindedness?


I wonder why I changed from currents to blue berries half way though.
The answer could be as simple as genetic diversity (a trait does not have to be universal to be genetically selected for.)
Also avoidance of poison could be more highly selected for in some regions than others.
But of course this is a just-so-story.
If we could find a gene for negative generalization then we could get closer to science.
I suggest looking in the cracker population. :wink: :lol: :lol:


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08 Oct 2011, 2:47 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Evolutionary defense against poison.

person X tries a berry for the first time. it is a Current and tastes good. so person X freely states that s/he likes blue berries . s/he is open to trying other types but does not usually generalise to say, "I will eat all berries"

person Y tries a Berry for the first time. it is a Yew Berry and tastes horrid and cause staggering gait, muscle tremors, convulsions, collapse, difficulty breathing, coldness and eventually heart failure. so person Y freely states that s/he dislikes berries. s/he is not open to trying other types because their attitude expands to include all berries in a negative light.

ok, that seems reasonable.

so... why are some people different? it isn't completely universal to negatively generalise. are some people more capable of thinking rationally, above and beyond instinct? or is it because of education, or some kind of learned or natural openmindedness?


I wonder why I changed from currents to blue berries half way though.
The answer could be as simple as genetic diversity (a trait does not have to be universal to be genetically selected for.)
Also avoidance of poison could be more highly selected for in some regions than others.
But of course this is a just-so-story.
If we could find a gene for negative generalization then we could get closer to science.
I suggest looking in the cracker population. :wink: :lol: :lol:

i admit the "cracker" comment made me lol. but aren't we generalising about the crackers then? :lol: ok my brain hurts now.

i think it would be very interesting to get insight into how people's brains work, in the sense of how the individual tendencies to negatively generalise (or not) affects learning and cognition in other areas.


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08 Oct 2011, 2:51 pm

People often generalize out of pure ignorance :wink:



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08 Oct 2011, 2:55 pm

Joker wrote:
People often generalize out of pure ignorance :wink:


and sometimes they don't.

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08 Oct 2011, 2:56 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Evolutionary defense against poison.

person X tries a berry for the first time. it is a Current and tastes good. so person X freely states that s/he likes blue berries . s/he is open to trying other types but does not usually generalise to say, "I will eat all berries"

person Y tries a Berry for the first time. it is a Yew Berry and tastes horrid and cause staggering gait, muscle tremors, convulsions, collapse, difficulty breathing, coldness and eventually heart failure. so person Y freely states that s/he dislikes berries. s/he is not open to trying other types because their attitude expands to include all berries in a negative light.

ok, that seems reasonable.

so... why are some people different? it isn't completely universal to negatively generalise. are some people more capable of thinking rationally, above and beyond instinct? or is it because of education, or some kind of learned or natural openmindedness?


I wonder why I changed from currents to blue berries half way though.
The answer could be as simple as genetic diversity (a trait does not have to be universal to be genetically selected for.)
Also avoidance of poison could be more highly selected for in some regions than others.
But of course this is a just-so-story.
If we could find a gene for negative generalization then we could get closer to science.
I suggest looking in the cracker population. :wink: :lol: :lol:

i admit the "cracker" comment made me lol. but aren't we generalising about the crackers then? :lol: ok my brain hurts now.

i think it would be very interesting to get insight into how people's brains work, in the sense of how the individual tendencies to negatively generalise (or not) affects learning and cognition in other areas.


sorry I just have an absurd affection for subverting my own sentences.
It could be completely cultural. (but not really nothing is purely nature or nurture)


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08 Oct 2011, 3:34 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Joker wrote:
People often generalize out of pure ignorance :wink:


and sometimes they don't.

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i think in all generalizations there is a lack of perspective, the word itself implies it.
anyone trying to justify a generalization against what is experienced and observed is quite another story.


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08 Oct 2011, 7:15 pm

Oodain wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Joker wrote:
People often generalize out of pure ignorance :wink:


and sometimes they don't.

ruveyn


i think in all generalizations there is a lack of perspective, the word itself implies it.
anyone trying to justify a generalization against what is experienced and observed is quite another story.

that's an interesting point.


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08 Oct 2011, 7:21 pm

there is nothing wrong with generalizations if you provide examples to back them up. (Even if your wrong or we disagree, I can at least see the context you are operating under.) Thats what tends to be missing when generalizations are made.


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08 Oct 2011, 7:53 pm

Why do many generalisations seem to arise out of negativity?

Because "fear" has much greater survival value than "joy".

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08 Oct 2011, 8:02 pm

MarketAndChurch wrote:
there is nothing wrong with generalizations if you provide examples to back them up. (Even if your wrong or we disagree, I can at least see the context you are operating under.) Thats what tends to be missing when generalizations are made.

hmmmm i still think an argument can be made without the generalisations. because then you are forced to talking about ideas instead of people or objects. when the generalisations are removed i think it makes people speak of individuals as opposed to groups.

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Why do many generalisations seem to arise out of negativity?

Because "fear" has much greater survival value than "joy".

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quite honestly, in the wild i think i would not survive.


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08 Oct 2011, 8:14 pm

Probably for the same reason that people love negative gossip. We construct exaggerated fables to warn against negative behaviors. Tips to avoid danger.

Or maybe there is just something in our nature that runs toward being exclusionary and negative. Put 10 people in a room for a day and they may not pick a leader, but they'll certainly pick someone to hate. Highlighted weekly on reality television.



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08 Oct 2011, 8:32 pm

simon_says wrote:
Probably for the same reason that people love negative gossip. We construct exaggerated fables to warn against negative behaviors. Tips to avoid danger.

Or maybe there is just something in our nature that runs toward being exclusionary and negative. Put 10 people in a room for a day and they may not pick a leader, but they'll certainly pick someone to hate. Highlighted weekly on reality television.

hahahaha so true! :lol:


wait, that actually makes me kinda sad. :cry:


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08 Oct 2011, 9:14 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
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anyways... please explain to me why so many people seem to generalise more often from negative experiences than positive ones... or if you disagree i am interested in hearing that too.


Are you making generalisations about generalisations? go sit in the naughty corner ;p


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