socialism, capitalism, anarchism- which do subscribe to?

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which do you think is the better system/ which do you think should be in place?
socialism 32%  32%  [ 18 ]
capitalism 18%  18%  [ 10 ]
anarchism 30%  30%  [ 17 ]
other 20%  20%  [ 11 ]
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15 Oct 2011, 8:59 am

i'm a socialist. specifically a trotskyist. basically i think the capitalist system is inherently flawed and anarchism is not something i consider to be an effective solution but the reason i was asking this question wasnt to get a debate going about which is best(feel free to do that though) it was more to get an idea of who identifies as what on these forums in light of the recent wall street protests i thought it would be interesting to see what ideology you thought was best and it's probably just me but there seems to be a lot of people here who hold socialist ideas and some hardcore capitalists.



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15 Oct 2011, 9:23 am

Capitalism. Economic freedom is a must for any nation to thrive and the sum of society's parts is greater than the whole.



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15 Oct 2011, 9:35 am

Please distinguish between a political system (mode of governance) and an economic system (mode of production and commerce). Capitalism, for example, is not a mode of government. One can have capitalism in a democratic republic or an autocratic dictator ship. The Peoples Republic of China is an example of the latter.

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15 Oct 2011, 9:47 am

ruveyn wrote:
Please distinguish between a political system (mode of governance) and an economic system (mode of production and commerce). Capitalism, for example, is not a mode of government. One can have capitalism in a democratic republic or an autocratic dictator ship. The Peoples Republic of China is an example of the latter.

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+1.

Greed has gotten hold of China as well. They wave lots of red flags around, but really - who the f**k are they kidding?


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15 Oct 2011, 9:48 am

ruveyn wrote:
Please distinguish between a political system (mode of governance) and an economic system (mode of production and commerce). Capitalism, for example, is not a mode of government. One can have capitalism in a democratic republic or an autocratic dictator ship. The Peoples Republic of China is an example of the latter.

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^ this, China is politically typical Communist (one ruler, one ruling party) while its economy is gov-guided capitalist, aka state capitalism.



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15 Oct 2011, 4:03 pm

Why subscribe to any of them?

Economy-wise. Not even the US is 100% capitalist. In fact, it seems that there is a correlation between not taking extremes in economic politics and actually doing fine economically.


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15 Oct 2011, 4:05 pm

Ichinin wrote:


+1.

Greed has gotten hold of China as well. They wave lots of red flags around, but really - who the f**k are they kidding?


Mainland China has morphed into a quasi-Confucian thugocracy.

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15 Oct 2011, 4:18 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Mainland China has morphed into a quasi-Confucian thugocracy.

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Why not call it by it's true name: "Hypocracy".


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15 Oct 2011, 5:10 pm

It is difficult to judge any of the political "isms" because they are all just theories. I don't believe that any of them have been tried properly, because that would require everybody involved to be pulling in the same direction, and that will never happen where humans are involved.
At a push I'd go for Anarchism, not that anybody seems to know what that is anymore - it certainly isn't self absorbed children putting down their Apple products for the afternoon to go running round breaking stuff.



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15 Oct 2011, 5:15 pm

Ichinin wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Mainland China has morphed into a quasi-Confucian thugocracy.

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Why not call it by it's true name: "Hypocracy".


if by this you mean rule by the less you are genius.
if you mean hypocrisy you are a bad speller but prolly a good person.


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15 Oct 2011, 5:20 pm

^^^ :lol:

Humans being what they are, well regulated capitalism is the only way to go.


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15 Oct 2011, 5:21 pm

Politically, I'm a social democrat. I support a broadly state capitalistic system coupled with various social welfare measures and policies that put a cap on inequality. I also support partially integrating economic democracy into said system via something like codetermination in Germany.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codetermination_in_Germany


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15 Oct 2011, 6:46 pm

free market socialism,

in my mind the socialism/capitalism dichotomy is a false one, they have their uses in different areas.


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15 Oct 2011, 9:15 pm

Just make every person in the country take a math test.

Then expel the bottom 5% out of the country.

Repeat every year.


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15 Oct 2011, 10:55 pm

Politically I am a independent I support capitalism.



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15 Oct 2011, 11:47 pm

GoonSquad wrote:
Humans being what they are, well regulated capitalism is the only way to go.


when you say "humans being what they are" do you mean the supposition that humans are inherently selfish creatures? as an argument for capitalism i think it's weak. i mean i get why you would believe that- i used to myself, humans are animals after all and the goal of any animal is to compete with other animals in order to survive. the thing is that it makes more sense for humans to band together and equally distribute resources in order to survive as a species and individual. also history and current events disprove that. humans are capable of cooperating, equally distributing goods and services and they can accomplish awsome things when they do that. i guess the really obvious things to point to would be wall street protests which have gone global and the arab spring. people organising food, shelter, medical care, cleaning services, entertainment and stuff for each other and protecting each other from the police like in egypt where you'd have the christian protesters protecting the muslim ones while they prayed. if humans are ever selfish i think it's the capitalist system that encourages that. we are constantly told that we must compete, if we do not we will fail, that money is necessary to be viewed highly, marketers constantly bombarde us with ads that tell us that we are worth nothing if we havent got the latest tech or fancy product and so we compete but the majority of people are not selfish, it's not natural in my opinion. if that wasnt what you were saying i just rambled on forever for no reason :lol: sorry if it wasnt.

wow didnt expect for there to be more anarchists than socialists here. thought it would be socialists equal to capitalists and both higher than anarchists. interesting.