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which do you think is the better system/ which do you think should be in place?
socialism 32%  32%  [ 18 ]
capitalism 18%  18%  [ 10 ]
anarchism 30%  30%  [ 17 ]
other 20%  20%  [ 11 ]
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22 Oct 2011, 3:18 am

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Any market that is privately owned is a bad thing.


Do you want the production of food to be run by the government? If you do, be prepared to stand in line many hours for short rations.

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Some times I like to go hunting and kill my own food it is way cheaper then buying it.



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22 Oct 2011, 3:20 am

Joker wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Joker wrote:

Any market that is privately owned is a bad thing.


Do you want the production of food to be run by the government? If you do, be prepared to stand in line many hours for short rations.

ruveyn


Some times I like to go hunting and kill my own food it is way cheaper then buying it.


In an urban industrialized society? If people had to live directly off the land, how many would survive. A hunter gatherer society is a society with a rather low population. Are you serious? Or have you merely forgotten to think the matter through --- again.

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22 Oct 2011, 6:29 am

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socialism, capitalism, anarchism have all failed


when did anarchism fail?


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22 Oct 2011, 2:17 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Joker wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Joker wrote:

Any market that is privately owned is a bad thing.


Do you want the production of food to be run by the government? If you do, be prepared to stand in line many hours for short rations.

ruveyn


Some times I like to go hunting and kill my own food it is way cheaper then buying it.


In an urban industrialized society? If people had to live directly off the land, how many would survive. A hunter gatherer society is a society with a rather low population. Are you serious? Or have you merely forgotten to think the matter through --- again.

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My next door neighbor lives off the land and I think that would be fun to do for a while I mean animals live off the land I am sure people can to



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22 Oct 2011, 2:18 pm

peebo wrote:
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socialism, capitalism, anarchism have all failed


when did anarchism fail?


It fails because in a anarchy society we all die you need rules and laws in a society.



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22 Oct 2011, 2:36 pm

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My next door neighbor lives off the land and I think that would be fun to do for a while I mean animals live off the land I am sure people can to


There are 300,000,000 people in the U.S. Do you think there is a huntable animal population that can support that many? I doubt it.

Eventually people would have to eat dogs, cats, mice and rats and even that would not be enough.

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22 Oct 2011, 2:37 pm

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My next door neighbor lives off the land and I think that would be fun to do for a while I mean animals live off the land I am sure people can to


There are 300,000,000 people in the U.S. Do you think there is a huntable animal population that can support that many? I doubt it.

Eventually people would have to eat dogs, cats, mice and rats and even that would not be enough.

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True but their are a lot of people in America that are vegans and vegetarians or as I like to call them candy asses.



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22 Oct 2011, 6:21 pm

Joker wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Joker wrote:

My next door neighbor lives off the land and I think that would be fun to do for a while I mean animals live off the land I am sure people can to


There are 300,000,000 people in the U.S. Do you think there is a huntable animal population that can support that many? I doubt it.

Eventually people would have to eat dogs, cats, mice and rats and even that would not be enough.

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True but their are a lot of people in America that are vegans and vegetarians or as I like to call them candy asses.


not even a fraction of a percent of whats needed to support populations of that size, nature cant do it on its own.


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22 Oct 2011, 6:39 pm

Other, something in the area of what Spain was like under Francisco Franco.


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23 Oct 2011, 1:26 am

Joker wrote:
peebo wrote:
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socialism, capitalism, anarchism have all failed


when did anarchism fail?


It fails because in a anarchy society we all die you need rules and laws in a society.


i don't think an absence of enforced authority implies death. and besides, we all die in any form of society. and besides, an anarchist society doesn't necessarily mean no rules. it just means no rules enforced by the compulsion of the state under threat of violence.

a question. why do you feel that you personally need rules and laws? what would you do in the absence of them?


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23 Oct 2011, 7:33 am

[quote="peebo"

i don't think an absence of enforced authority implies death. and besides, we all die in any form of society. and besides, an anarchist society doesn't necessarily mean no rules. it just means no rules enforced by the compulsion of the state under threat of violence.

a question. why do you feel that you personally need rules and laws? what would you do in the absence of them?[/quote]

Every society has and needs rules. Without rules we could not have a common language.

Some rules are enforced by the club. Some rules are the result of consensus.

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23 Oct 2011, 8:24 am

ruveyn wrote:
Every society has and needs rules. Without rules we could not have a common language.

Some rules are enforced by the club. Some rules are the result of consensus.

ruveyn


of course. excuse my lack of clarity, i meant - more specifically than rules - rules enforced by some statutory authority under threat of violence. i think you might generally agree with what i'm alluding to with this.


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23 Oct 2011, 9:24 am

peebo wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Every society has and needs rules. Without rules we could not have a common language.

Some rules are enforced by the club. Some rules are the result of consensus.

ruveyn


of course. excuse my lack of clarity, i meant - more specifically than rules - rules enforced by some statutory authority under threat of violence. i think you might generally agree with what i'm alluding to with this.


Consensus hurts less than the club and it is much more cordial.

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23 Oct 2011, 10:36 am

ruveyn wrote:
peebo wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Every society has and needs rules. Without rules we could not have a common language.

Some rules are enforced by the club. Some rules are the result of consensus.

ruveyn


of course. excuse my lack of clarity, i meant - more specifically than rules - rules enforced by some statutory authority under threat of violence. i think you might generally agree with what i'm alluding to with this.


Consensus hurts less than the club and it is much more cordial.

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i really wish my faith in mankind was high enough to believe in a consensus, our neurology just doesnt seem to support it as a species.


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23 Oct 2011, 11:23 am

Oodain wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
peebo wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Every society has and needs rules. Without rules we could not have a common language.

Some rules are enforced by the club. Some rules are the result of consensus.

ruveyn


of course. excuse my lack of clarity, i meant - more specifically than rules - rules enforced by some statutory authority under threat of violence. i think you might generally agree with what i'm alluding to with this.


Consensus hurts less than the club and it is much more cordial.

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i really wish my faith in mankind was high enough to believe in a consensus, our neurology just doesnt seem to support it as a species.


do you not accept the possibility that it's a matter of conditioning?


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23 Oct 2011, 11:30 am

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do you not accept the possibility that it's a matter of conditioning?


Hell no. It is wired in genetically. Look how similar we our to our cousins the Chimpanzees. What a nasty horrible bunch they are. Who is "conditioning" them?

We are by our nature dark and flawed beings, rescued partially by an occasional flash of reason and decency. When we sing together and eat together we are not so bad.

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