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I've noticed that alot of Christians haven't been coming here anymore. And I think it's likely due to a select few individuals antagonizing them. I am not x-ian, I'm not anything, not even agnostic. I have my own secular views. But, this does not mean I can't be friends with someone because they are christian, and as much as I don't dig labels, I can and will respect your beliefs if you can respect mine in return. I will be your friend.
However, make notice that there are 2 kinds of christians (the same goes for muslims).
1. Caring, nice, charitable, peaceful, and open minded type who can respect others' beliefs but don't take any bull when others fail to respect yours
2. ignorant, selfish, theocratic-minded delusional psychopath type. Intolerant of other religions, but not ballsy enough to admit to it face front. Often support religious-based legislation where theyr religion is subjugating those of other faiths to Christian traditions and values.

I'm open to making friends with type 1 only. I just want you to know I do not discriminate against you. I do have a general dislike for labels (even atheism), be they religious, political, sociological, musical, or whatever, but I am able to respect the views of others as long as they respect mine.
I feel as much as hardline atheists attack religion, hardline atheism isn't any more credible. I do tend to favor the intellectual, rational, scientific approach of atheism on most material things, and my theory is a science-first theory but religion does offer morals and values that hardline atheism neglects or even attempts to justify as "nothing evil, just evolution". Though I may not agree with any one particular religion on all their values (rather I cherrypick from different religions and plug some of my own moral values), it is nice that atleast you care to some degree to atleast try to combat some of your inner animal and make strives at higher moral grounds, even if some take it too far (extremists) and turn morality into hypocricy, deception, greed, and evil.
But as I stated, I will be your friend, if you are the open minded respectful type of christian. I think it's sad to see innocent christians made to feel unwelcome and discriminated, even if less innocent so-called Christians discriminate against them, two wrongs don't make a right. This is like a mirror of the popularized attitude towards muslims after 9/11, you can't blame a whole people for the actions of a few.

I consider myself a borderline type-2 agnostic, as I cannot stand anything religious anymore (going to a church is a big no-no for me, thanks to the five-year, three-two times a week aversion therapy given to me by Trinity Lutheran College, Ashmore), and have to restrain myself to quite a degree when door-to-door religious types come a knocking.

Whoops, there's the door now. Now where's my anti-dogma spray?

As I have stated I'm not christian either, in fact I don't like labels period. But I just didn't want anyone to feel discriminated. As much as I may personally disagree with most of their religion I try to take people on an individual basis. I merely want to keep some semblance of peace and understanding.

Most of the christians who posted here were biblical litteralists. They were rightfully and justly flamed out of here!! !

Good riddance to those who ignore scientific discovery in order to hold on to backwrds religious beliefs!! !

That definition contradicts itself. "Not taking any bull" shows a lack of tolerance. If you're tolerant of other religions, but someone thinks your religion is dumb, shouldn't you be tolerant of their skepticism? Or are you only tolerant until someone hurts your feelings? So where do you draw the line? If someone frankly says there is no God, they probably don't respect Christianity. Are you gonna take that "bull" or put him in his place and make him look like a fool?

"Taking the bull" is actually the only solution. If you escalate the conflict with a response, then you're no better off. You're not gonna win a religious argument; nobody ever wins a religious argument. After all, we still have multiple religions, don't we?

As I said I'm atheist, atleast as far as creation and such is concerned. However, I think some hardline atheist can be quicj to jump on the bandwagon too and treat anyone's display of their belief in anything mystical or religious as a sign of them being a complete ret*d. And right now there are religious fanatics in both x-ianity and islam that go to the extremes and oppress others who believe different than themselves. However, you can't judge every muslim or every x-ian because of the actions of some of them.
By "taking any bull", this is what I was talking about, I'm not saying the theocratic BS that many of the negative ones spew off should be tolerated. If you really wanna be honest I think all religions should be destroyed. However knowing this will never happen, I try to respect everyone's opinion *so long as they deserve to be respected*.

It is my personal belief that some of the "mystical" things commonly associated with alternative religions and eastern religions and what not are scientifically explainable. Things like reincarnation, spirituality, and ritual magick. Though there is a HUGE difference between "divine miracles" and ritual magick... Magick isn't what hollywood has ppl brainwashed to think it is, you can't just mumble a few words in toungues and expect it to rain blood from the skies. That whole assumption is rediculous.

You're from God's Own Country!

I have cousins on the Sunshine Coast. Do you know the parable about the man leaving his 3 servants talents when he goes away? Sunshine Coast people are very religious but they remind me very much of the servant with 1 talent and I think are a bit hypocritical, but may be its my Presbyterian upbringing.

I am a non-church going Christian (and I don't like seeing Christ abreviated to an X).

but you are the type of christian I was trying to avoid, "This is god's country". You know something, I'll bet if legislation was being made around someone ELSES religion you wouldn't think it was too cool. I don't like enemies of the 1st ammendment. It shouldn't be a law to have to live your life by christian values no more than it should buddhist, muslim, pagan, atheist or any other religious values. Suck it up, other religions exist you ______ing nazi scumbag.

Maybe I misinterpretted you, were you being comical or sarcastic when you said "this is god's country!"?

snake321 - no offense taken

"Gods Own Country" means something a bit different in Australia. If I call you an Old Bastarrd it means I like you. If I tell someone else you are a Baastard it means I don't like you.

Queensland is full of what we "mexicans" (South of the border) call "Bible Bashing Bastards". I didn't say this is "God's Country". I said he lives in "God's Own Country".

Something was lost in translation - lol

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Maybe snake321 has trouble typing the name "Christ" because he's a vampire.

Anyway, do you know the parable about the talents? We had it drummed into us at school. The servant given one talent (money) hid it and kept it safe instead of using it and doing something productive. People in the Sunshine Coast are like that. They could do lots of good productive things, but they don't. They seem to prefer to sit under a tree talking about religion instead of actually doing anything useful. They only work as little as they need to to be comfortable.

When I visit family up there, the church is very much "in your face" but it only seems to be for their own self gratification (IMO) not that I can hold myself out as religious (I rarely go to church) - its just that the Sunshine Coast churches (many of which don't have ordained ministers, just self-proclaimed pastors) seem odd to me.

Anyway, I have gone on more than I intended.

I apologize for getting feisty, that comment comes very close to what ignorant bad christians here in the US preach in the US. The only reason I spelled it "x-ianity" was because it was shorter than typing "christianity". It's a way to abbreviate it here in the states.

I think we were put here by aliens and jesus, muhammad, buddha, moses, ghandi, and several others were messengers to spread global peace, but it didn't quite work that way. Or they were in on a dark global scheme (but I doubt ghandi was in on any conspiracy, though it is *possible* he was used as a tool and didn't realise it). But the bible, kaballa, and koran all have some of the same names in them. I personally believe it all makes perfect since if i replace "angels" and "demons" and "god" with aliens. Though I don't think "god" (alien) is good. It said in the bible "man was created in god's image". Well life on earth is created to be barbaric and evil, and with obviously limited brain spans. The bloodline of the illuminati dates way back to ancient egypt where aliens bred with jewish human slaves to create a preserve their own species in a way that could adopt to our environment and become their ambassadors here on earth, working behind the curtians. All humans were slaves to the aliens or "elohim", the jews were just the chosen people to breed with. But this also explains how the sphinx and the pyramids were created. But this is just what i believe.

Ze power of Christ compels you!

Ze power of Christ compels you!

(looks at crucifix in hand)

Now, why is this burning me....?