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01 Nov 2011, 4:13 pm

To understand the limited role of women in synagogue life, it is important to understand the nature of mitzvot (commandments) in Judaism and the separation of men and women.

Judaism recognizes that it is mankind's nature to rebel against authority; thus, one who does something because he is commanded to is regarded with greater merit than one who does something because he chooses to. The person who refrains from pork because it is a mitzvah has more merit than the person who refrains from pork because he doesn't like the taste. In addition, the mitzvot that were given to the Jewish people are regarded as a privilege, and the more mitzvot one is obliged to observe, the more privileged one is.

Because women are not required to perform certain mitzvot, their observance of those mitzvot does not "count" for group purposes. Thus, a woman's voluntary attendance at daily worship services does not count toward a minyan (the 10 people necessary to recite certain prayers), a woman's voluntary recitation of certain prayers does not count on behalf of the group (thus women cannot lead services), and a woman's voluntary reading from the Torah does not count towards the community's obligation to read from the Torah. The same is true of boys under the age of 13, who are not obligated to perform any mitzvot, though they are permitted to perform them.

In addition, because women are not obligated to perform as many mitzvot as men are, women are regarded as less privileged. It is in this light that one must understand the man's prayer thanking G-d for "not making me a woman." The prayer does not indicate that it is bad to be a woman, but only that men are fortunate to be privileged to have more obligations. The corresponding women's prayer, thanking G-d for making me "according to his will," is not a statement of resignation to a lower status (hardly an appropriate sentiment for prayer!) On the contrary, this prayer should be understood as thanking G-d for giving women greater binah, for making women closer to G-d's idea of spiritual perfection, and for all the joys of being a woman generally.

The second thing that must be understood is the separation of men and women during prayer. According to Jewish Law, men and women must be separated during prayer, usually by a wall or curtain called a mechitzah or by placing women in a second floor balcony. There are two reasons for this: first, your mind is supposed to be on prayer, not on the pretty girl praying near you. Second, many pagan religious ceremonies at the time Judaism was founded involved sexual activity and orgies, and the separation prevents or at least discourages this. Interestingly, although men should not be able to see women during prayer, women are permitted to see men during prayer. This seems to reflect the opinion that women are better able to concentrate on prayer with an attractive member of the opposite sex visible.

The combination of this exemption from certain mitzvot and this separation often has the result that women have an inferior place in the synagogue. Women are not obligated by Jewish law to attend formal religious services, and cannot participate in many aspects of the services (traditional Jewish services have a very high degree of "audience participation" -- and I'm not just talking about community readings, I'm talking about actively taking part in running the service), so they have less motivation to attend. Woman's obligations in the home (which are the reason why women are exempt from time-based mitzvot like formal prayer services) often keep them away from synagogue. In several synagogues that I have attended, the women's section is poorly climate controlled, and women cannot see (sometimes can't even hear!) what's going on in the men's section, where the services are being led. This has improved somewhat in recent years, but men: if you think I'm lying, ask your wives.

But as I said before, this restriction on participation in synagogue life does not mean that women are excluded the Jewish religion, because the Jewish religion is not just something that happens in synagogue. Judaism is something that permeates every aspect of your life, every thing that you do, from the time you wake up in the morning to the time you go to bed, from what you eat and how you dress to how you conduct business. Prayer services are only a small, though important, part of the Jewish religion.


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01 Nov 2011, 4:22 pm

So where in Torah does a man pray and thank God for not making him a Woman?



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01 Nov 2011, 5:49 pm

I have had the privilege of being raised in a home where I was exposed to a wide breadth of Jewish thought, practice, custom and observance.

While I was certainly raised to understand the distinction between the "public" and the "private" aspects of Jewish life, my own experience also allowed me to look at these distinctions with a critical eye. Traditional Jewish life imposes certain expectations on both women and men, and provides short shrift to Jews whose lives do not conform to these expectations.

Growing up as a gay man with a fondness for tradition and customary practice left with me very limited options. Orthodox congregations reject me for my failure to adhere to traditional law, but many Reform congregations were scornful of customary practices such as wearing tefillin.

I would never call into question another Jew's decision to adhere to one or another set of teachings. I know many Orthodox women who lead very fulfilling lives within the framework of traditional Orthodoxy. The question of whether or not I happen to agree with their choices is irrelevant, and unless I am invited to share my opinion, I have learned to keep it to myself.

All of which stream of conciousness is meant to say that I repsect your adherence even if I do not share it.


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01 Nov 2011, 9:12 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
So where in Torah does a man pray and thank God for not making him a Woman?



Parts of the concern is addressed on page 193, Chapter 19 "Male-Chauvinist Religion" by Deborah Mathieu, in the book "Philosophy: The Big Questions" by Charles Wade Mills (2004): "If god is male, then human males are more like gods than human females are." "The crux of the male's argument for supremacy over females is inherent in all three religions."
Books-dot-google search "male chauvinist Wade Mills".

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02 Nov 2011, 9:21 am

androbot2084 wrote:
So where in Torah does a man pray and thank God for not making him a Woman?


Nowhere. It is strictly a Rabbinic tradition.

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02 Nov 2011, 9:31 am

visagrunt wrote:
I have had the privilege of being raised in a home where I was exposed to a wide breadth of Jewish thought, practice, custom and observance.

While I was certainly raised to understand the distinction between the "public" and the "private" aspects of Jewish life, my own experience also allowed me to look at these distinctions with a critical eye. Traditional Jewish life imposes certain expectations on both women and men, and provides short shrift to Jews whose lives do not conform to these expectations.

Growing up as a gay man with a fondness for tradition and customary practice left with me very limited options. Orthodox congregations reject me for my failure to adhere to traditional law, but many Reform congregations were scornful of customary practices such as wearing tefillin.

I would never call into question another Jew's decision to adhere to one or another set of teachings. I know many Orthodox women who lead very fulfilling lives within the framework of traditional Orthodoxy. The question of whether or not I happen to agree with their choices is irrelevant, and unless I am invited to share my opinion, I have learned to keep it to myself.

All of which stream of conciousness is meant to say that I repsect your adherence even if I do not share it.


Some one sent me an article about a Lesbian Rabbi with a Frumish congregation.
-but I can not find it. :lol:


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02 Nov 2011, 3:40 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
visagrunt wrote:
I have had the privilege of being raised in a home where I was exposed to a wide breadth of Jewish thought, practice, custom and observance.

While I was certainly raised to understand the distinction between the "public" and the "private" aspects of Jewish life, my own experience also allowed me to look at these distinctions with a critical eye. Traditional Jewish life imposes certain expectations on both women and men, and provides short shrift to Jews whose lives do not conform to these expectations.

Growing up as a gay man with a fondness for tradition and customary practice left with me very limited options. Orthodox congregations reject me for my failure to adhere to traditional law, but many Reform congregations were scornful of customary practices such as wearing tefillin.

I would never call into question another Jew's decision to adhere to one or another set of teachings. I know many Orthodox women who lead very fulfilling lives within the framework of traditional Orthodoxy. The question of whether or not I happen to agree with their choices is irrelevant, and unless I am invited to share my opinion, I have learned to keep it to myself.

All of which stream of conciousness is meant to say that I repsect your adherence even if I do not share it.


Some one sent me an article about a Lesbian Rabbi with a Frumish congregation.
-but I can not find it. :lol:


I am a Lesbian Jew I would love it if you could find that Article :D


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