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30 Oct 2011, 9:09 am

The page has liberal bias, but it is true, the PROTECT IP law that will allow US web censorship is healthy and both parties seem to really like the idea.

http://lauren.vortex.com/archive/000908.html

PROTECT-IP and E-PARASITE are far worse than what happens in China and Iran, because the US is intending to apply them globally and can do it. The US government will have control over google no matter where you are.

Here's something better: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201110 ... w-it.shtml


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30 Oct 2011, 12:14 pm

Is a good thing I live in Canada....For now. <.<



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30 Oct 2011, 1:54 pm

phil777 wrote:
Is a good thing I live in Canada....For now. <.<


Harper wants to put similar bills through here this autumn unfortunately


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30 Oct 2011, 2:06 pm

I have a feeling that they will try to push this through while everyone is distracted with the issues of jobs and unemployment.


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30 Oct 2011, 2:09 pm

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Is a good thing I live in Canada....For now. <.<
Is it? Do you happen to use a search enginer that is located at the US? Do your ISPs' depend in any way on US DNS?


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30 Oct 2011, 2:44 pm

will it really matter?

use tor or freenet, tor can be decrypte but freenet operates completely seperate from the internet.

use multiple proxies and soon no one who aint focusing on you will be able to tell who or where you are.


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30 Oct 2011, 2:49 pm

Oodain wrote:
will it really matter?

use tor or freenet, tor can be decrypte but freenet operates completely seperate from the internet.

use multiple proxies and soon no one who aint focusing on you will be able to tell who or where you are.


I heard Tor is slow but then again there was that "Tor Relay Challenge" a few months ago that expanded the amount of Tor Relays by at least a few hundred so maybe it has improved since then


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30 Oct 2011, 3:43 pm

it depends on where you are and what you are trying to access, the more niche sites are generally slower than the sites in common usage.
other than that i havent felt much for regular browsing.

freenet is agonisingly slow compared to tor.


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30 Oct 2011, 5:02 pm

The bill is censorship in my view censorship is unconstitutional because it violates the first amendment.



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30 Oct 2011, 5:08 pm

And there's a nation-wide "emergency alert system" test on every TV channel and radio station November 9th. It will be at 2 in the afternoon so I think it's more of a demonstration than a good-natured test.

You're a fool if you don't think our government has been preparing for the brutal repression of any civil unrest. Our client dictators in the middle east will have nothing on our government!



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30 Oct 2011, 5:11 pm

Oodain wrote:
will it really matter?

use tor or freenet, tor can be decrypte but freenet operates completely seperate from the internet.

use multiple proxies and soon no one who aint focusing on you will be able to tell who or where you are.


Yeah, this way only technically advanced people have access to free speech. Yay!


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30 Oct 2011, 6:27 pm

Isn't this against the UN universal declaration of human rights article 19?

Freedom to seek, receive & impart information through any media, regardless of frontiers.



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30 Oct 2011, 6:29 pm

Almighty_CRJ wrote:
Isn't this against the UN universal declaration of human rights article 19?

Freedom to seek, receive & impart information through any media, regardless of frontiers.


That is not U.S. law. The U.N. is a third world kaffee klatch which lives off of crumbs tossed to them by the U.S. taxpayer. It is not a government and its declarations are not binding on the U.S.

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31 Oct 2011, 5:00 am

Vexcalibur wrote:
The page has liberal bias, but it is true, the PROTECT IP law that will allow US web censorship is healthy and both parties seem to really like the idea.

http://lauren.vortex.com/archive/000908.html

PROTECT-IP and E-PARASITE are far worse than what happens in China and Iran, because the US is intending to apply them globally and can do it. The US government will have control over google no matter where you are.

Here's something better: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201110 ... w-it.shtml


The U.S.A. has already arrested Russian Mathematicians for knowing too much about Prime Number theory, and it is illegal for anyone to teach it too well, or to share much knowledge about Prime Numbers.

As the Phythagoreans proclaimed long ago, Intellectual Property Rights must be protected, because the truth is too dangerous. Besides that, who wants any competition from someone who might know something, when ignorance can be SOOOoooo..... exploited????

PROTECT MICKEY & SNOW WHITE!! ! (that rat on steroids is worth more than a ton of poison apples).

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31 Oct 2011, 8:45 am

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The U.S.A. has already arrested Russian Mathematicians for knowing too much about Prime Number theory, and it is illegal for anyone to teach it too well, or to share much knowledge about Prime Numbers.


Enough!

Back that assertion up with facts. Produce names of mathematicians, when they were arrested, where they were arrested and what charges were brought against them. Otherwise, cease your nonsense.;

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31 Oct 2011, 8:49 am

ruveyn wrote:
Almighty_CRJ wrote:
Isn't this against the UN universal declaration of human rights article 19?

Freedom to seek, receive & impart information through any media, regardless of frontiers.


That is not U.S. law. The U.N. is a third world kaffee klatch which lives off of crumbs tossed to them by the U.S. taxpayer. It is not a government and its declarations are not binding on the U.S.
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And so the US gets to break its own rules because you produced some humdrum, ad hominem attack on the UN? I think not. If the US breaks its own rules, then screw the USA.