7 deadly sins

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My interpretation of the 7 deadly sins, some of them I feel are good but some of them are not so good. So this is where I stand on them:

1. Wrath- Wrath ultimately depends upon the situation. Did the person recieving the wrath do something to deserve it?
2. Gluttony- While it is one's own choice to put in their body what they will, I see no point in condeming one for over-eating. The most you might could say is that it's unfair that some people can eat themselves up to the shape of a hot-air balloon while others are starving to death in deserts, but ultimately this does not lie within the grasp of the average citizen. I see no right or wrong in gluttony.
3. Lust- I think it is evil or villaify the sex drive, as it is a primary human need in life, for proper growth, emotionally and pschologically. The mere fact that people are taught to feel ashamed of this is disgusting to me.
4. Sloth- If one chooses to be lazy that's their deal, just don't make others pay for your laziness. If your working at a job and you are constantly calling out sick or slacking off, someone else is having to clean up your slack. This is unfair to them.
5. Envy- Envy to small degrees is not a big deal. It's only a big deal when it gets out of hand.
6. Greed- Greed is no major biggie either as long as it doesn't get too far, to where it effects someone else. But it often does get that far.
7. Pride- Pride shouldn't be discouraged. I mean it's like, are you not supposed to be proud of yourself if you win your team a baseball trophy? If you graduate colledge with honors? Pride is only bad when one lets it become self-riteousness.

I have a little different slant on sin...I dont think the person needs to "go to hell" and there be punished for their sins....I think the behavior has its punishment ingrained in the behavior itself....

Gluttony....health risks,uncomfortable,social ridicule,an "addiction"which inherently keeps one from
dealing with the things you are running away from and not evolving as a person

Wrath....great if it motivated you to make positive changes,but it seldom is focused in positive direction
generally it excludes logical thought and tends to be unproductive and a waste of energy

Lust.....I dont know how to interpret this...Passion,I think is the positive side of this.Lust could be seen
as the destructive side....not using "protection" and ending up with VD,AIDS,Pregnancy,as well
as letting it cloud your judgement...ie...dont rape,molest children,animals...

Sloth....conciquence is likely you are living in a pig stye,living of others,have little sense of self because
you never learn or do anything...sloth doesnt have to be about working,it can include people
who are "intellectually lazy" as well

Envy....Ever heard the expression"sick with Envy"?It's a waste of energy and focus...not being grateful
for what you do have,onlu what you dont,will just make a person miserable.

Greed...Worst of all in my opinion...Another form of addiction based on a "materialist value system"
people who are empty inside need more and more "stuff" to feel full...bit it doesnt work and
given a limited amount of resources, implies,someone else is going without.I dont think
people in the grips of greed can feel any empathy for environment,people,animals,etc.

Pride....It's great to have realistic good self esteem but people unaware of their short comings
are incapable of changing them or evolving as people...They are blind to the people who
have helped them,so feel no obligation to help others and judgeing others as inferior
are more likely to treat them poorly.

I am not to interested in going to heaven/hell...been to both in my life time...but I can see how...from
a philosophical perspective...having any of these qualities would make it difficult to experience heaven
as I would define it.

i don't believe in sin, thats mostley a christian dogma. i think god accepts me for who i am.
obviously i think there are no brainers when it somes to morality, like don't kill etc,. but im not going to worry about every little thing i do in life can possibly send me to hell.

I'm not x-ian either, it was just an outsider's perspective on the 7 deadly sins from my part.

another problem i have with religion is this, how are people that have mental retardation supose to know that if they don't accept jesus as thier savior, they'll spend an eternity in hell? do they simply get a free pass into heaven, or do they go to hell because they couldn't undertand?

The Catholic church has solved that by putting those who have never met Jesus and have the chance to reject their sins in purgatorio until the final judgement. The pope is infallible.

oh i forgot all about purgatori. what a joke that is, i'm sorry but catholics are ret*d.

At one point in history, ret*d babies were considered demons and their mothers were killed as witches. So until I get a better explanation (ask a modern Christian that and watch them stutter), I'm assuming the official Christian view is that ret*d folk don't get to go to Heaven. It's a shame, really. Christianity's actually a decent religion except for all the violence and intolerance. But you win some, you lose some, right?

just think of all the people that have been killed in the name of god in the past. makes me sick

I was ret*d but I'm better now

Actually, Dante Aligheri put them in Limbo. See Dante's Inferno for this, as well as what happened to any pre-Jesus Biblical figures.

For some reason, I always think of "Dancing Mad" when reading Dante's Inferno.

I think I have stated this before, but Jesus, if you boil away all the religious crap, was one of the first hippies/peaceful political activists, and probably one of the more well documented. It was his disciples that turned it into a religion per se.

I'm not the final authority on this, but this seems to constitute as a personal attack. Please don't make derogatory remarks about large groups of people like this anymore.

Back to civil/rational discussion now. I think you may have been confusing "pride" with "self-esteem". Pride is a sense of being superior to other people, while self-esteem is feeling good about yourself.

As for people who don't know God or Jesus, that's hard to say. But if God is all-knowing, then he would be able to tell what people would choose, if they were given a choice and able to make their choice. It's the same kind of thing with people who never heard of God because they simply weren't near the "known world" during biblical times.

Sorry for the brief digression, but I would also add "perfectionism" to the list of deadly sins... If you really want to hear my reasoning about that, I'd be willing to discuss it in private.

Namiko, I have no beef about you, or this post that you just had. But a friendly word of advice: saying "fireproof" just below your nick is a flame-magnet. It is like what they said about the Titanic being unsinkable: that was just an iceberg magnet.

And when you consider the Jesus-freaks that sometimes post in this forum, even a small spark can cause a big boom. I like big booms, like Jamie Hyneman, but prefer to set them off at a distance.

Now excuse me while I get some asbestos clothing on.....

Do you mean perfectionism at the expense of other's viewpoints (in which case, it would be considered "pride")? Or do you mean exclusionism, as in "our religion is the only one to get people saved"?

If what i said was a personal attack, who was i attacking? i didn't know anyone said they were a catholic in this thread.