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18 Nov 2011, 3:29 pm

The Obama administration pressured analysts to change an environmental review to reflect fewer job losses from a proposed regulation, the contractors who worked on the review testified Friday.

The dispute revolves around proposed changes to a rule regulating coal mining near streams and other waterways. The experts contracted to analyze the impact of the rule initially found that it would cost 7,000 coal jobs.

But the contractors claim they were subsequently pressured to not only keep the findings under wraps but "revisit" the study in order to show less of an impact on jobs.




Steve Gardner, president of Kentucky consulting firm ECSI, claimed that after the project team refused to "soften" the numbers, the firms working on the study were told the contract would not be renewed. ECSI was a subcontractor on the project.

The government "'suggested' that the ... members revisit the production impacts and associated job loss numbers, with different assumptions that obviously would then lead to a lesser impact," Gardner testified before a House Natural Resources subcommittee. "The ... team unanimously refused to use a 'fabricated' baseline scenario to soften the production loss numbers."

The Obama administration, without going into specifics, contested Gardner's claims after the hearing.

The charges escalate a dispute over environmental regulations that has been brewing for months, as the Obama administration tries to overhaul mining rules that were put in place at the end of the George W. Bush administration following a years-long review.

"Right now, there's a tremendous amount of smoke. And where there's smoke, there's usually fire," Rep. Bill Johnson, R-Ohio, told FoxNews.com ahead of the hearing Friday.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11 ... z1e5hExN67

It wouldn't surprise me if this is true, the Obama administration has already pulled a stunt like this at least once before.



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19 Nov 2011, 12:07 pm

Workers are not wedded to the coal industry. If coal jobs disappear they can find work in solar, nuclear, wind or hydro. More jobs will be created because all the dirty power plants will have to be replaced.



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19 Nov 2011, 1:23 pm

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Workers are not wedded to the coal industry. If coal jobs disappear they can find work in solar, nuclear, wind or hydro. More jobs will be created because all the dirty power plants will have to be replaced.


Pressuring people to lie in a report is unethical at best.



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19 Nov 2011, 2:36 pm

They don't have to lie as long as they emphasize that more jobs will be created than jobs lost.



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19 Nov 2011, 9:36 pm

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They don't have to lie as long as they emphasize that more jobs will be created than jobs lost.


That would be lieing because using Solyndra as an example, there will not be more jobs created than lost. Furthermore, the kind of predicting you are advocating is well outside the scope of the study, is based on hypotheticals and given Government's track record with Green Energy, is also patently false.



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20 Nov 2011, 2:31 am

If there was a plan to produce the entire worlds electricity with solar power within five years i don't think there would be anyone complaining about being out of a job.



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20 Nov 2011, 5:59 am

dear androbot:
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20 Nov 2011, 3:04 pm

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If there was a plan to produce the entire worlds electricity with solar power within five years i don't think there would be anyone complaining about being out of a job.


Solar power isn't as reliable as you are advertising.


@ Vexcalibur

Quite frankly, I would argue you're the one behaving like a troll.



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20 Nov 2011, 3:11 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
If there was a plan to produce the entire worlds electricity with solar power within five years i don't think there would be anyone complaining about being out of a job.


Solar power isn't as reliable as you are advertising.


@ Vexcalibur

Quite frankly, I would argue you're the one behaving like a troll.


Solar power is not sufficiently concentrate to power large industrial plants. It can be used to run the lights in your house along with your computers but it cannot produce the mega-joules required to run factories or mines.

Solar power always has a useful niche but it will never be a primary source of power. For that we need nuclear fusion plants built from coast to coast. If we could get to the hot magma underneath our feet we could derive all the energy we need from geothermal heat. Unfortunately we do not have the technology for drilling down 30 km. to where the heat is. In Iceland they have cracks in the earth giving them access to geothermal he but here in North America we are not so lucky.

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20 Nov 2011, 3:15 pm

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Inuyasha wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
If there was a plan to produce the entire worlds electricity with solar power within five years i don't think there would be anyone complaining about being out of a job.


Solar power isn't as reliable as you are advertising.


@ Vexcalibur

Quite frankly, I would argue you're the one behaving like a troll.


Solar power is not sufficiently concentrate to power large industrial plants. It can be used to run the lights in your house along with your computers but it cannot produce the mega-joules required to run factories or mines.

Solar power always has a useful niche but it will never be a primary source of power. For that we need nuclear fusion plants built from coast to coast. If we could get to the hot magma underneath our feet we could derive all the energy we need from geothermal heat. Unfortunately we do not have the technology for drilling down 30 km. to where the heat is. In Iceland they have cracks in the earth giving them access to geothermal he but here in North America we are not so lucky.

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We can't get a sustainable fusion reaction ruveyn, all nuclear power plants are nuclear fission, not fusion, there is a difference.



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20 Nov 2011, 3:23 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
If there was a plan to produce the entire worlds electricity with solar power within five years i don't think there would be anyone complaining about being out of a job.


Solar power isn't as reliable as you are advertising.


@ Vexcalibur

Quite frankly, I would argue you're the one behaving like a troll.


Solar power is not sufficiently concentrate to power large industrial plants. It can be used to run the lights in your house along with your computers but it cannot produce the mega-joules required to run factories or mines.

Solar power always has a useful niche but it will never be a primary source of power. For that we need nuclear fusion plants built from coast to coast. If we could get to the hot magma underneath our feet we could derive all the energy we need from geothermal heat. Unfortunately we do not have the technology for drilling down 30 km. to where the heat is. In Iceland they have cracks in the earth giving them access to geothermal he but here in North America we are not so lucky.

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We can't get a sustainable fusion reaction ruveyn, all nuclear power plants are nuclear fission, not fusion, there is a difference.


Did I say fusion? Damn! Senior moment. I meant fission. Controlled nuclear fusion has been 30 years in the future for 60 years and a hundred years from now it will be 30 years in the future.

Fission, fission, fission and more fission. Preferably from fast breeder reactors which will make the problem of nuclear waste almost negligible.

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20 Nov 2011, 3:51 pm

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@ Vexcalibur

Quite frankly, I would argue you're the one behaving like a troll.

Quite frankly, I would argue your opinion is worth less than Obama's opinion to me.

I don't think you are a troll. I just couldn't find a [Please don't feed Inuyasha] sign. This was going to be a happy empty thread until Androbot posted, and that makes me feel sad.


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20 Nov 2011, 3:56 pm

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I just couldn't find a [Please don't feed Inuyasha] sign.


Here is one:

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Vexcalibur wrote:
This was going to be a happy empty thread until Androbot posted, and that makes me feel sad.


Androbot and Inuyasha seem to have been made for each other.



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20 Nov 2011, 3:58 pm

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Androbot and Inuyasha seem to have been made for each other.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67Fb8XbpWMM[/youtube]


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20 Nov 2011, 5:11 pm

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@ Vexcalibur

Quite frankly, I would argue you're the one behaving like a troll.

Quite frankly, I would argue your opinion is worth less than Obama's opinion to me.

I don't think you are a troll. I just couldn't find a [Please don't feed Inuyasha] sign. This was going to be a happy empty thread until Androbot posted, and that makes me feel sad.


Yeah, I know you would like Obama's corruption to be simply swept under the rug and not talked about here, looks like that's not happening.

@ pandabear & Vigilans

Seriously stop with the spam.



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20 Nov 2011, 5:43 pm

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@ pandabear & Vigilans

Seriously stop with the spam.


I didn't realize I was filling your inbox with spiced ham


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