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26 Nov 2011, 4:41 pm

Was it because of their brown skin? The fact they didn't accept Christ? The materialism prevalent in Jewish culture? Jealousy of their success? Their autonomy from their host civilizations? All of the above? For no reason?



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26 Nov 2011, 5:00 pm

Jealousy and the Catholic church.


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26 Nov 2011, 5:08 pm

They were told to.



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26 Nov 2011, 8:43 pm

It was because the Europeans held the Jews responsible for the death of Jesus, and the belief that the Jews controlled the world's money.



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26 Nov 2011, 10:15 pm

I think it is mostly political
The Jews are a minority and Europe is mostly Christian and when politicians need a scapegoat the Jews are an easy target.
I blame the holocaust on politics.
World War One was blamed on Germany and they were punished drastically. They basically had no military and their economy was very weak.
That is the reason Hitler was able to take control so easily. He first blamed the communists and got rid of them and eventually he blamed the Jews.
He was also Christian fundamentalist and white supremacist.
The catholic church is also to blame in many ways. They assisted the Nazis and refused to help the Jews which is hypocritical.



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26 Nov 2011, 10:18 pm

donnie_darko wrote:
Was it because of their brown skin?


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donnie_darko wrote:
The fact they didn't accept Christ?


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donnie_darko wrote:
The materialism prevalent in Jewish culture?


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donnie_darko wrote:
Jealousy of their success?


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donnie_darko wrote:
Their autonomy from their host civilizations?


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donnie_darko wrote:
All of the above?


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donnie_darko wrote:
For no reason?


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27 Nov 2011, 12:56 am

artrat wrote:
I think it is mostly political
The Jews are a minority and Europe is mostly Christian and when politicians need a scapegoat the Jews are an easy target.
I blame the holocaust on politics.
World War One was blamed on Germany and they were punished drastically. They basically had no military and their economy was very weak.
That is the reason Hitler was able to take control so easily. He first blamed the communists and got rid of them and eventually he blamed the Jews.
He was also Christian fundamentalist and white supremacist.
The catholic church is also to blame in many ways. They assisted the Nazis and refused to help the Jews which is hypocritical.


I thought Hitler was an occultist or paganist, or an atheist. He was no Christian, that's for sure.



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27 Nov 2011, 1:01 am

Fnord wrote:
They were told to.


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27 Nov 2011, 1:09 am

Fnord wrote:
They were told to.


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Catholics could not read the Bible then since Bibles were only published in Latin. Only the priest and other clergymen could read it. This gave them too much control over the religious beliefs of the Catholics.



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27 Nov 2011, 8:11 am

donnie_darko wrote:
Was it because of their brown skin? The fact they didn't accept Christ? The materialism prevalent in Jewish culture? Jealousy of their success? Their autonomy from their host civilizations? All of the above? For no reason?


Yes.



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27 Nov 2011, 8:14 am

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That is the reason Hitler was able to take control so easily. He first blamed the communists and got rid of them and eventually he blamed the Jews.
l.


Hitler confounded, co-mingled and conflated communism and Judaism in his troubled mind.

He held Jews in contempt because they were not as beautiful as "Aryans".

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27 Nov 2011, 8:48 am

up until today, i thought that the reason that jews were reviled in history was that they were the first people to practice usury.

i thought early people were unimpressed at the fact that there were people who were inordinately wealthy, and more so at the fact that they never had to do any work for their wealth (except for keeping books). their oppulence was achieved by breaking the backs of desperate people who were willing to pay eg. 50% interests on loans in a last ditch effort to save their family's businesses. i thought that, like "shylock", these lenders were merciless in their retrieval of moneys from people who could not pay, while they themselves lived in splendor.

anyway, i wanted to check that this was true, and i have found that it is not true, so i have to say i have no idea.

i am glad i updated my 25 year old impression.



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27 Nov 2011, 8:52 am

"Wherever the Jews settled after ceasing to be a nation ready to defend its liberty and independence, one observes the development of antisemitism, or rather anti-Judaism; for antisemitism is an ill chosen word, which has its raison d'être only in our day, when it is sought to broaden this strife between the Jew and the Christians by supplying it with a philosophy and a metaphysical, rather than a material reason. If this hostility, this repugnance had been shown towards the Jews at one time or in one country only, it would be easy to account for the local causes of this sentiment. But this race has been the object of hatred with all the nations amidst whom it ever settled. Inasmuch as the enemies of the Jews belonged to divers races, as they dwelled far apart from one another, were ruled by different laws and governed by opposite principles; as they had not the same customs and differed in spirit from one another, so that they could not possibly judge alike of any subject, it must needs be that the general causes of antisemitism have always resided in Israel itself, and not in those who antagonized it."

Jewish Historian Bernard Lazare (Antisemitism: Its History And Causes, 1894)
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/jewish/lazare-anti.asp



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27 Nov 2011, 9:09 am

For the same reason everyone else did. They're (in general) exclusionary, nepotistic, racially and culturally elitist and insist on insinuating themselves into the halls of power. Of course, most Jews aren't directly connected to this; but they do indirectly support it with all their idiotic Torah myths. There is a significant contingent of Zionist-Supremicists who are far crazier than Nazis, and much more successful. I think it's wrong to dislike 'jews' in general for this, but anyone who doesn't hate the Zionist pseudo-right and its social nationalism is not concerned with civilization.



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27 Nov 2011, 9:37 am

ruveyn wrote:
Hitler confounded, co-mingled and conflated communism and Judaism in his troubled mind.

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The Catholic Church also believed Jews were drawn to Bolshevism. When it came down to it, they could live with Nazism because Hitler let the Churches stand at least and fought the people who would ban their practice. Hence the restraint the Church showed with Germany at times.

There are also numerous anti-Semitic references in Civilta Catholica, a major Jesuit paper, leading to WWII.

Tim_Tex wrote:
I thought Hitler was an occultist or paganist, or an atheist. He was no Christian, that's for sure.


People could argue all they want about Hitler himself, but Hitler's structure had numerous people who identified themselves as Christians. He seemed to have an indifference at the very least, since he allowed Ante Pavelic and the pro-Catholic Utase regime, who went as far as forcing Orthodox Serbs to convert, to rule Yugoslavia under recommendation of Mussolini. Pavelic fled the area after it fell through a network of Jesuit priests. It is also interesting to note how many Nazi war criminals fled to Ireland.

As a side note, in Romania the Iron Guard infused Orthodox Christianity with far-right beliefs and were instrumental in the Holocaust in the country. Fascism is tied to Christianity, not atheism.



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27 Nov 2011, 12:48 pm

b9 wrote:
up until today, i thought that the reason that jews were reviled in history was that they were the first people to practice usury.



Not so. Usury goes back thousands of years. In fact usury is forbidden to Jews under Torah law.

This excerpt from the Wiki article:

The combination of loans and interest, in Judaism, is a complicated and detailed subject. The biblical Hebrew terms for interest are neshekh (Heb.: נשך), literally meaning a bite, and marbit/tarbit (Heb.: מרבית/תרבית), which specifically refers to the gain by the creditor[1]; neshekh referred to interest that was charged by deducting it from the loaned money itself, before the loaned money was handed over to the debtor, while marbit/tarbit referred to interest that was charged by adding it to the amount due to be repaid[2]. The word marbit/tarbit, which referred to the form of interest more familiar in modern times, became ribbit (Heb.: ריבית), in later Hebrew, and hence in modern Hebrew[1]. Similar to the Arabic word Riba used in the Quran.
The Torah and Talmud encourage the granting of loans, but only if it doesn't involve interest, with certain exceptions. Charging interest is classed in the Book of Ezekiel as being among the worst sins[3], and is forbidden according to Jewish law. The Talmud dwells particularly on Ezekiel's condemnation of interest[4], where Ezekiel denounces it as an abomination, and metaphorically portrays usurers as people who have shed blood.

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