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21 Dec 2011, 8:45 pm

Here's one for Tequila :
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/12/n ... acy-rights


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23 Dec 2011, 11:42 am

I think that the thread title misplaces the responsibility for this.

The United States has completely eroded any notion of a privacy interest in personal data, sacrificing privacy on the altar of security. In Canada we have been living with this reality far moreso than Europe, because many of our major institutions rely on United States companies for data storage, and those companies are, in turn, subject to US law regarding access to data. A great many domestic Canadian flights overfly the United States, giving the United States the right to demand personal information about every person on the aircraft.

In a world in which we seek to do business with the United States, the United States has made it clear that business is to be done on her terms.


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23 Dec 2011, 11:46 am

I'm not surprised.



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23 Dec 2011, 11:48 am

I think Europe has been doing this for years anyway.



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23 Dec 2011, 11:54 am

Robdemanc wrote:
I think Europe has been doing this for years anyway.


Yup, I'm sure the EU has. :)



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23 Dec 2011, 7:45 pm

visagrunt wrote:
I think that the thread title misplaces the responsibility for this.

The United States has completely eroded any notion of a privacy interest in personal data, sacrificing privacy on the altar of security. In Canada we have been living with this reality far moreso than Europe, because many of our major institutions rely on United States companies for data storage, and those companies are, in turn, subject to US law regarding access to data. A great many domestic Canadian flights overfly the United States, giving the United States the right to demand personal information about every person on the aircraft.

In a world in which we seek to do business with the United States, the United States has made it clear that business is to be done on her terms.


Canada can afford to be liberal. It has not yet been mugged.

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23 Dec 2011, 9:03 pm

The EU is selling off it's rights to everything because it knows it can't pay back that humungus "loan"



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24 Dec 2011, 5:03 am

WhiteWidow wrote:
The EU is selling off it's rights to everything because it knows it can't pay back that humungus "loan"


did you even read the article and what its based on,

the troubles started when they passed a bill alowing the us to seize any and all data without just cause,
making travels for professionals with confidential information exceedingly hard.

the company i work for luckily pulled out of the us a year or so ago, or we would have had to do so now.


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24 Dec 2011, 9:46 am

Oodain wrote:
WhiteWidow wrote:
The EU is selling off it's rights to everything because it knows it can't pay back that humungus "loan"


did you even read the article and what its based on,

the troubles started when they passed a bill alowing the us to seize any and all data without just cause,
making travels for professionals with confidential information exceedingly hard.

the company i work for luckily pulled out of the us a year or so ago, or we would have had to do so now.



You used the word 'sell' in the wrong context. If they sold anything they would be making a profit.

And if I'm correct in that they actually are selling the rights, then you have no rebuttle.



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25 Dec 2011, 9:24 am

WhiteWidow wrote:
Oodain wrote:
WhiteWidow wrote:
The EU is selling off it's rights to everything because it knows it can't pay back that humungus "loan"


did you even read the article and what its based on,

the troubles started when they passed a bill alowing the us to seize any and all data without just cause,
making travels for professionals with confidential information exceedingly hard.

the company i work for luckily pulled out of the us a year or so ago, or we would have had to do so now.



You used the word 'sell' in the wrong context. If they sold anything they would be making a profit.

And if I'm correct in that they actually are selling the rights, then you have no rebuttle.


i didnt use sell, you did so what excactly do you mean??


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25 Dec 2011, 11:02 am

Oodain wrote:
WhiteWidow wrote:
Oodain wrote:
WhiteWidow wrote:
The EU is selling off it's rights to everything because it knows it can't pay back that humungus "loan"


did you even read the article and what its based on,

the troubles started when they passed a bill alowing the us to seize any and all data without just cause,
making travels for professionals with confidential information exceedingly hard.

the company i work for luckily pulled out of the us a year or so ago, or we would have had to do so now.



You used the word 'sell' in the wrong context. If they sold anything they would be making a profit.

And if I'm correct in that they actually are selling the rights, then you have no rebuttle.


i didnt use sell, you did so what excactly do you mean??


Well the word "sell" was used incorrectly in this thread. This article has nothing to do with the "selling" off of anything



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25 Dec 2011, 11:06 am

WhiteWidow wrote:
Well the word "sell" was used incorrectly in this thread. This article has nothing to do with the "selling" off of anything

Yeah it was inaccurate, EU is giving up your traveler rights for free. Have a great day.


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26 Dec 2011, 11:49 am

Tequila wrote:
Robdemanc wrote:
I think Europe has been doing this for years anyway.


Yup, I'm sure the EU has. :)


Whereas the UK has been for decades.

It may be a television cliché, but this old chestnut is grounded in truth, nonetheless:

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Jim Hacker: "Humphrey, who is it who has the last word about the government of Britain? The British Cabinet or the American President?"
Sir Humphrey: "You know that is a fascinating question. We often discuss it."
Jim Hacker: "And what conclusion have you arrived at?"
Sir Humphrey: "Well, I must admit to be a bit of a heretic. I think it is the British Cabinet. But I know I am in the minority."


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26 Dec 2011, 1:14 pm

visagrunt wrote:
Tequila wrote:
Robdemanc wrote:
I think Europe has been doing this for years anyway.


Yup, I'm sure the EU has. :)


Whereas the UK has been for decades.

It may be a television cliché, but this old chestnut is grounded in truth, nonetheless:

Quote:
Jim Hacker: "Humphrey, who is it who has the last word about the government of Britain? The British Cabinet or the American President?"
Sir Humphrey: "You know that is a fascinating question. We often discuss it."
Jim Hacker: "And what conclusion have you arrived at?"
Sir Humphrey: "Well, I must admit to be a bit of a heretic. I think it is the British Cabinet. But I know I am in the minority."


Well it seems half of the world belong to the US president. But I am sure the president is only the puppet and the strings are pulled by British and Americans that we will never know about.



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26 Dec 2011, 1:16 pm

Robdemanc wrote:
But I am sure the president is only the puppet and the strings are pulled by British and Americans that we will never know about.


This is most likely true. We probably haven't lived in a real parliamentary democracy for a long time - if ever.



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26 Dec 2011, 1:37 pm

Tequila wrote:
Robdemanc wrote:
But I am sure the president is only the puppet and the strings are pulled by British and Americans that we will never know about.


This is most likely true. We probably haven't lived in a real parliamentary democracy for a long time - if ever.


It certainly makes you wonder. The vote wasn't given out to everyone until 20thCent and that was given grudgingly. There's no way they want to allow the masses to make political choices.