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24 Dec 2011, 8:35 pm

Is that a good way to discuss religion, especially trying to convince someone of Christianity? That's what my sister said to me once on the phone.

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24 Dec 2011, 8:38 pm

Getting people feeling defensive and argumentative is, IMO, the worst way to discuss anything serious.
If it is important to someone, I would think they would want to create an open, relaxed exchange of ideas.

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24 Dec 2011, 8:46 pm

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But that's kind of unavoidable considering people have passions of said topics that might drive them to those lines of arguing.

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24 Dec 2011, 9:22 pm

Ahh, Bismarck's cigar. Somewhere I read that von Bismarck recommended smoking a large and foul cigar while negotiating treaties, as the irritation might throw rival diplomats off their game and cause them to make concessions merely to get away from it. It seems to be a common online debate tactic, especially in moderated forums where an outburst can be provoked and then sanctions brought by deliberately irritating someone. It is counterproductive if actual discussion is desired, but that seems to be a rare impulse on the web these days, people want to "win", and making the other person storm off is an easy way of "winning". :roll:

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24 Dec 2011, 10:02 pm

Couldn't have said it better myself.

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24 Dec 2011, 11:53 pm

To properly debate a topic it is best not to let emotion get in the way, otherwise logic goes out the window.

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25 Dec 2011, 2:23 am

to those of you having an unrelated discussion about moderation in PPR, i have split your posts to a new topic:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt184536.html

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25 Dec 2011, 9:30 am

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not only on the internet is that a problem,

in the real world few ever think more than they need to and will avoid any and all requirements to do so.

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25 Dec 2011, 10:56 am

Decisions made in the heat of the moment aren't usually good, productive, or lasting.

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25 Dec 2011, 6:09 pm

Sometimes I get so passionate about a topic that I can hardly think at all. The thigs I say probably make very little or no sense at all.
I become so passionate that I literally cry and shake. How can a passionate person create a sensible argument? The answer is they can't.
I tend to become more passionate when discussing politics than religion.

I don't understand how people can just enter a debate with nothing but facts and logical and no passion at all. For an argument to have a point it surly must have some passion.
Why would anyone just enjoy an argument and controversy?

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26 Dec 2011, 9:53 am

Well..
You tell us.

Did the fact that "you got riled up" make you any more open to her pov (which happened to be christianity) than before?

Probably not.

It probably just get you even defensive and more hardened in your own opinion.

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26 Dec 2011, 2:35 pm

artrat wrote:

I don't understand how people can just enter a debate with nothing but facts and logical and no passion at all. For an argument to have a point it surly must have some passion.
Why would anyone just enjoy an argument and controversy?

I think just because you feel strongly about something, it doesn't mean you can't have a discussion about it. It's just realizing that you feel this strongly and the other person probably has some strong feeling one way or another, and making the decision that both of you have something important to say. A balance of feeling what you feel, and logically realizing the other person's viewpoint is just as valid and doesn't deserve disrespect.

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26 Dec 2011, 2:41 pm

Frieslander wrote:

Decisions made in the heat of the moment aren't usually good, productive, or lasting.

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27 Dec 2011, 4:09 am

artrat wrote:

I don't understand how people can just enter a debate with nothing but facts and logical and no passion at all. For an argument to have a point it surly must have some passion. Why would anyone just enjoy an argument and controversy?

You can be passionate about something without letting your passion cloud your judgement in a debate.

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27 Dec 2011, 7:33 am

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Is that a good way to discuss religion, especially trying to convince someone of Christianity? That's what my sister said to me once on the phone.

No. This is how ill-meaning jerks try to make themselves feel smug and superior at your expense, and it's a form of cyber-bullying. These kinds of people are insects. Please do us the courtesy of looking upon them as insects, viz by not humoring the losers. In short, don't feed the trolls.

And don't touch the slimy bastards. They give you diseases.

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27 Dec 2011, 9:57 am

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No, it did make me more open to her POV.

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