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20 Dec 2011, 3:37 am

Or, how did the two dominant parties in US politics get the odd sets of beliefs that often contradict? Why are Republicans for smaller, less intrusive government unless drugs or homosexuals are involved? On the same token, why are Democrats for civil liberties unless guns or certain types of speech are the liberties in question?

I'm aware that I'm grossly simplifying the issues, but one of the reasons I've so stubbornly refused to identify with either party or political movements in general is the way that no one groups perfectly encapsulates my beliefs and embracing any of these labels seems to involve internalizing some of these contradictions. I've heard that aspies as a whole resist political labeling for the same reason, we pick and choose our issues rather than swallow a playbook from some group, though even that is clearly not universal as we have our very own partisans here.

Anyone self-identify as a partisan? I could name a few on either side of the political spectrum here, but I'd be really curious to see if anyone will step up and admit to it, and explain the thinking that led to adopting that position. No judgment, I'm genuinely interested as the thought process is completely alien to me.


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20 Dec 2011, 11:58 am

Well, I'm a partisan on this side of the border where we still have a centrist option in the Liberal Party.

Most people have a "hot-button" issue that drives their support and will outweigh secondary considerations.


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21 Dec 2011, 1:39 am

Dox47 wrote:
Or, how did the two dominant parties in US politics get the odd sets of beliefs that often contradict? Why are Republicans for smaller, less intrusive government unless drugs or homosexuals are involved?

On the same token, why are Democrats for civil liberties unless guns or certain types of speech are the liberties in question?

I'm aware that I'm grossly simplifying the issues, but one of the reasons I've so stubbornly refused to identify with either party or political movements in general is the way that no one groups perfectly encapsulates my beliefs and embracing any of these labels seems to involve internalizing some of these contradictions. I've heard that aspies as a whole resist political labeling for the same reason, we pick and choose our issues rather than swallow a playbook from some group, though even that is clearly not universal as we have our very own partisans here.

Anyone self-identify as a partisan? I could name a few on either side of the political spectrum here, but I'd be really curious to see if anyone will step up and admit to it, and explain the thinking that led to adopting that position. No judgment, I'm genuinely interested as the thought process is completely alien to me.



these contradictions are interesting to note. i think, however that they are likely more prevalent in the us of a than perhaps anywhere else (particularly along such lines as the guns and homophobia issue. it might just be a faulty line of thinking on my part but you americans appear to have more of a tendency to align to stereotypes). here in the uk, it would appear people might have a slightly (but not much) more pragmatic approach. there are still many who willingly subscribe to doctrinaire belief but i suspect we may have a larger demographic who would be amenable to switching allegiances.

i don't really understand myself how a person would dogmatically follow a set of ideas that don't seem to have any rational or logical connection simply on the basis of some apparently (to me at least) unfounded partisanship, rather than drawing ones own conclusions and entertaining a range of beliefs or ideas based upon ones own reasoning, however right or wrong this may be to anyone else.


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21 Dec 2011, 1:45 am

or perhaps it's easier for a person who does little thinking to simply pick up a pre-existing set of beliefs, however irrational and unconnected parts of such a set may be, than actually having real, informed opinions.


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21 Dec 2011, 4:25 am

Dox47 wrote:
Or, how did the two dominant parties in US politics get the odd sets of beliefs that often contradict? Why are Republicans for smaller, less intrusive government unless drugs or homosexuals are involved? On the same token, why are Democrats for civil liberties unless guns or certain types of speech are the liberties in question?

I'm aware that I'm grossly simplifying the issues, but one of the reasons I've so stubbornly refused to identify with either party or political movements in general is the way that no one groups perfectly encapsulates my beliefs and embracing any of these labels seems to involve internalizing some of these contradictions. I've heard that aspies as a whole resist political labeling for the same reason, we pick and choose our issues rather than swallow a playbook from some group, though even that is clearly not universal as we have our very own partisans here.

Anyone self-identify as a partisan? I could name a few on either side of the political spectrum here, but I'd be really curious to see if anyone will step up and admit to it, and explain the thinking that led to adopting that position. No judgment, I'm genuinely interested as the thought process is completely alien to me.


Both parties agree on the centrality of government. The Republicans are somewhat hypocritical about it. They curse government as the problem but impose social restrictions by law. The Democrats are outright and explicit Soft Fascists. Their main hypocrasy is pretending to be on the Left.

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21 Dec 2011, 5:06 am

ruveyn wrote:
Both parties agree on the centrality of government. The Republicans are somewhat hypocritical about it. They curse government as the problem but impose social restrictions by law. The Democrats are outright and explicit Soft Fascists. Their main hypocrasy is pretending to be on the Left.

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This is actually how I feel about the media and it's true bias, they're not so much slanted towards a particular party as they are towards the state and authority in general.


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27 Dec 2011, 5:14 am

visagrunt wrote:
Well, I'm a partisan on this side of the border where we still have a centrist option in the Liberal Party.

Most people have a "hot-button" issue that drives their support and will outweigh secondary considerations.


I don't know how I missed this at first, but you're one of the last people I'd call a partisan, Visa. I usually see you analyzing issues quite thoroughly, and if you are taking your positions out of a playbook somewhere it must be a very well written one. I'm talking about the people who declare that they're X and then tailor their opinions to match their new label, as opposed to actually forming their own. Like I said, there are a number of them here and I'd be curious if any of them are self aware.


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