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21 Apr 2012, 9:18 pm

Why didn't God create a world with no natural or human-caused evil. Why wouldn't an infinitely good and powerful God create beings that never committed evil? God must not be all powerful and all loving.



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21 Apr 2012, 9:19 pm

I imagine, probably the same reason we don't write stories with no bad guy.

I may not be the best person to answer though, because I tend to agree with your conclusions.



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21 Apr 2012, 9:25 pm

It is because of Free Will allowing those to choose what they will do and believe he never forces anyone to believe in him. You choose to follow God or not it is really that black and white type of thinking that I agree with.



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21 Apr 2012, 9:27 pm

Free will.



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21 Apr 2012, 11:21 pm

Um, how do you know he didn't?

Seriously. God could make many worlds. Perhaps one of them is without any evil. How would we know?

Maybe God has created ALL possible worthwhile worlds. This world we live in, then, would be one type of worthwhile world, but maybe there are other worlds that are very different to this world.

Anyway, an analogy: A good author can write more than one novel. And a good author can write a novel with evil characters, without the author themselves being evil for imagining such things (was Tolkien evil for imagining a world with Sauron in it?). God, the creative author of this world, is not evil despite the evil in this world. The evil in this world will not have the last say. It will be overcome. Just as great heroism cannot be displayed in a world of perfect safety, great love cannot be displayed without seeing what its opposite is - love is at its most loving, is shown to be most loving, when it loves the unlovely. How can we see the love of God, unless it is pitted against the greatest unloving things - unless we also see the unloving, and see it overcome by love?

Can God create a world with evil in it, and redeem it so that - when we see the total picture - we will agree: "Yes, it really was worthwhile creating this world"?

If a world could be created in which God overcame great evil and showed just how much love and wisdom and strength he has, should God go ahead and create it?



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22 Apr 2012, 12:24 am

American wrote:
Why didn't God create a world with no natural or human-caused evil. Why wouldn't an infinitely good and powerful God create beings that never committed evil? God must not be all powerful and all loving.

He did create the world with no evil. He gave man free will and not only did we waste no time screwing things up, each generation has contributed to making things worse. People have been given the ability to exclude God and religion from their lives and do as they please. But that has side effects, and the same people that shun God and religion frequently turn around and use the problems they helped create to try and prove that God is evil/uncaring, or that he doesn't exist.


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22 Apr 2012, 12:28 am

Yeah, I get the free will part. Free will is cool. So why didn't God give us free will and make it so that we do no evil?



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22 Apr 2012, 12:52 am

Because god, if he exists, is a malicious, sadistic, and likely sociopathic mass murderer. Just read the bible in full, 'sall in there.


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22 Apr 2012, 7:05 am

I wonder this myself sometimes and My conclusions usually differs each time but a Christian would argue it's due to Free Will/ evil is there to test us/ to bring the best out in us ect



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22 Apr 2012, 7:34 am

If there was a god, he might have done that.



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22 Apr 2012, 7:53 am

Perhaps for the same reason we don't enter preschool knowing advanced calculus.


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22 Apr 2012, 8:08 am

Aimless wrote:
Perhaps for the same reason we don't enter preschool knowing advanced calculus.


Are you saying that god was at preschool age when s/he created Earth? That would explain a few things :lol: Children can be incredibly cruel and thoughtless at that age.

But perhaps s/he was already a little older, and Earth is the divine equivalent of a baking soda volcano. I'd give it an E for effort.



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22 Apr 2012, 8:35 am

Just thought you should know- the title says word, really confused me at first. If you had free will but could not do evil, then how is that free will? But then you could argue that we cannot fly, so how much free will do we really have.



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22 Apr 2012, 8:39 am

Quote:
Hamlet:
What have you, my good friends, deserv'd at the hands of
Fortune, that she sends you to prison hither?

Guildenstern:
Prison, my lord?

Hamlet:
Denmark's a prison.

Rosencrantz:
Then is the world one.

Hamlet:
A goodly one, in which there are many confines, wards, and
dungeons, Denmark being one o' th' worst.

Rosencrantz:
We think not so, my lord.

Hamlet:
Why then 'tis none to you; for there is nothing either good or
bad, but thinking makes it so. To me it is a prison.



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22 Apr 2012, 8:39 am

CrazyCatLord wrote:
Aimless wrote:
Perhaps for the same reason we don't enter preschool knowing advanced calculus.


Are you saying that god was at preschool age when s/he created Earth? That would explain a few things :lol: Children can be incredibly cruel and thoughtless at that age.

But perhaps s/he was already a little older, and Earth is the divine equivalent of a baking soda volcano. I'd give it an E for effort.

No, that's not what I mean at all. There is a theological line of thought that the Garden of Eden story is an allegory for our disconnection from "godhood". In other words, when we separated from God, the ego was born. This reality we experience is a school of sorts where we slowly learn, through the process of reincarnation, how to be one with God again. Every evil act we commit pushes us back further. These are just ideas I've read. I don't believe anything I don't know, but that doesn't mean I'm not open to possibilities. What I've read is a book called A Course in Miracles.


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