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It seems a tad alarmist.

And, possibly a bit white supremacist. Granted, they don't explicitly say "White", but they don't exactly mention religious demographics in any African nations.

Do they want white non-Moslems to procreate more? Or, just limit the number of Moslems in Christian countries?

Obviously, the world is always changing. The American continents were overwhelmed by a huge invasion of primarily European immigrants and their descendents.

Luckily, the video consists of half-truths and complete lies. Their claim about 25% of Belgium being islamic is far from the truth. Although the number is expected to increase rapidly if cultural self-segregation and migration from poorly-educated and religiously-conservative regions of Turkey and North Africa are allowed to continue, it was 6% in 2008. Half of the population in the Netherlands being muslim by 2023 is also unrealistic. It's approximately 4% now, and although it's expected to rise rapidly over the next few decades, it's not going to be half in just eleven years. What is true, however, is that the percentage of muslims in large cities might exceed 50% by 2023. Slightly more than half of the population of several large cities is foreign already, and the bulk of immigrants is muslim, so that claim wouldn't be inaccurate.

Both, I believe, and non-white non-muslim procreation. Anything to stop a religion whose leaders indicate hatred towards our way of life from taking over our countries due to our own guilt complex and inability to harden and set the same cultural, political and judicial standards for them that we set for all other immigrant groups and our main ethnic and cultural group, or even show a bit more of our European spirit. For centuries, incidentally the centuries that we weren't hampered by our beliefs in cultural relativism, human rights and tolerance of the intolerant, we ruled the world. Now, some parts of the world love us - Asia seems to be moderately happy with Europe, and North America is still firmly on our side - but others are trying to destroy us. As far as I know, the quote mentioned in the video was indeed Muammar Gaddafi's, and several islamic scholars subscribe to that theory.

Wouldn't the Moslems in Europe, over time, eventually become more European in their outlook?

There are no signs to believe that they will, as the second generation is even more opposed to western values than the first, and I'm not willing to subject Europe to new religious dark ages to find out.

I suspect that there may be more people of Dutch descent living in America and South Africa than in Holland. Now, you have people migrating your way and colonizing your country. A bit of a turnabout.

For a time, anyway, you had a bit of a paradise.

You can't expect the good times to persist forever.

I think that the original video was created by Evangelical Christians, who are expecting the End Times to arrive any day now anyway.

bull

that depends on the country,

while we are still dealing with some issues, especially ghettos, i have seen far too many exceptions and met far too many well educated muslims here to justify that level of generalization.

Possibly, although those two combined don't reach over thirteen million - but not a casus belli. Things that happened in the past are not a reason for the same things to occur on an even larger scale now. What my earliest-known ancestors did wasn't very pretty, as it involved murdering a lot of muslims in a lot of hideous ways, but it doesn't mean their distant relatives should now be allowed to make us the victims of their religious fanaticism and cultural norms.



But you can try to counter it. The reason Europe's population is becoming increasingly hostile to muslims while more muslims are arriving and being born to religious customs every day is not just that they're here, but that they're here while we don't want them here. Indeed, it's Europe's governments and the European Union that are destroying Europe, not so much these islamic immigrants by themselves - usually, when national television stations or newspapers report people planning terrorist attacks, it's because they were too stupid to build a working bomb, or because they built a working bomb that went off in their face, or they were arrested because half of their cell consisted of secret agents to begin with. Apart from a political and religious assassination and prosecution of politicians for insulting muslims, we haven't had too much terrorism.

However, in spite of rising unemployment, the European Union and most European governments seem to hold sacred their task of receiving poorly-educated muslim immigrants with a high chance of unemployment and a life of crime, and they've criminalised several forms of criticism to a point where remarks about Islam's stance on homosexuality or remarks saying there are too many immigrants can be considered illegal under the right circumstances.



Where do you live? I live a few miles from one of Western Europe's largest mosques, and near a city with tens of thousands of muslims. And, along with many local residents, I'm saying "Iceberg dead ahead!" It's not even their fault - they were indoctrinated that way. It's the fault of our governments who, despite widespread opposition, have ridiculously-lax immigration policies and a weak policy of driving out elements from their culture that conflict immediately with our laws and basic customs. Instead of a structural solution, they have an annual listing of teenage girls of islamic descent who didn't return to school after "a holiday" to an islamic country.

i live in denmark,

but i did work and live in ijmuiden holland for a time and even in amsterdam i didnt get the impression you are putting forth.
that was a couple of years ago though so the situation might have changed, but personally i think it far more likely that you try to paint your views as objectivity where there is very little.

that is not to say that there arent issues, any society has and always will have, muslims or not, christians or whatever other nonsense you want to paint as noble tradition.

Compared to the Netherlands, Denmark is extremely ethnically and culturally homogenous. IJmuiden and Amsterdam, except Amsterdam-Zuidwest, aren't the worst places in the Netherlands (parts of The Hague, Rotterdam and Utrecht share that honour), although I'd advise anyone to stay away from the non-tourist and more residential parts. Did you work in shipping, or something related to that? The last time I visited IJmuiden, which must have been in the summer of 2006, it was to board a ferry to Newcastle. It was called the Queen of Scandinavia, and it was owned by DFDS, which is a Danish company.

nah i was working as an onshore technician out by the old german sub pens preparing wind turbines for the q7 project.

they found a 1200 pound bomb in the dock next tot he one we were working in while digging it out to allow for bigger ships, we had to evacuate.
incredible to think it was lying a hundred meters from where we were working, had been for decades.

You have a damn cool job

thanks

too much travel and stress in the long run though, so now i handle IT at the office in denmark.

This reminds me of a joke.



There is one very obvious way to combat Islam, which is to point out that there are no good reasons to believe that it is true. However, you cannot do this without also rejecting Christianity.