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17 Jan 2012, 10:07 am

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17 Jan 2012, 2:46 pm

I just want one anti-SOPA/PIPA activist to acknowledge that copyright and broadcast rights are legitimate infringements on free expression, and present some alternate means whereby artists can protect their works.

A free internet should not be purchased using the livelihoods of artists--especially small artists who lack the capacity to exercise their existing rights. If we take away the few remaining incentives to being a professional artist we will do our collective cultures an enormous disservice.

Now that's not to say that SOPA or PIPA are appropriate tools, I agree that they are spectacularly blunt instruments. But I have no tolerance for the person who cries "free internet" and remains wilfully blind to the consequences of that call.

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17 Jan 2012, 3:06 pm

visagrunt wrote:

A free internet should not be purchased using the livelihoods of artists--especially small artists who lack the capacity to exercise their existing rights. If we take away the few remaining incentives to being a professional artist we will do our collective cultures an enormous disservice.

It's not the small artists who are complaining. It's in their best interest to take any exposure they can get. If 9 people pirate their work but it gets their work out, and 1 person buys it and pays for it, they're still ahead. It's only the major corporations and established artists who are complaining about this.

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17 Jan 2012, 3:29 pm

I watch public broadcasting and listen to donation-funded classical music. I am sort of a bystander here, really. For me, if it's not good enough to give freely for, it is not good enough to purchase.

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18 Jan 2012, 10:27 am

Obres wrote:

Nonsense. On both fronts.

The choice of whether or not to distribute their work for free to gain exposure is the privilege of the artist, not the consumer. If I think that it is in my best interest to put my work out there, I will do it. But if I want to control the art that I create, then it is my right to do so. "Free internet"ers telling artist, "This is for your own good," is the ultimate hypocrisy.

And yes, SOPA is driven by Hollywood. Much of its abuse (and I acknowledge that it is abusive) addresses the interests of Hollywood, rather than small artists. But that does not mean that small artists do not see the internet as a threat to their livelihood.

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18 Jan 2012, 10:32 am

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18 Jan 2012, 11:15 am

visagrunt wrote:

There are alternates to intellectual property rights most of them are classed as copyleft. Creative Commons and GNU licenses do let artists protect there work and at the same time freely share content.

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18 Jan 2012, 11:45 am

Chipshorter wrote:

I think visagrunt means protect their works from being shared freely in the first place.

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18 Jan 2012, 12:00 pm

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Chipshorter wrote:

I think visagrunt means protect their works from being shared freely in the first place.

Theres sharing and giving the artists credit for there work which is the idea behind copyleft, and theres sharing without giving credit which is what is happing now with copyright infringements. Its just simply the case of artists giving there permission to share content.

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18 Jan 2012, 12:04 pm

Obres wrote:

Correct. The main players crying crockidile tears over the poor cheated artists are the fat cat companies who take these very same artists to the cleaners. If hypocracy were a capital offense, the principle officers of many large companies would be dangling from long ropes.

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18 Jan 2012, 12:11 pm

visagrunt wrote:

Already exists. It's called the DMCA and does more than enough to protect copyright holders.

SOPA/PIPA are masquerading as bills to prevent piracy. In reality they're bills that give big corporations the ability to censor anything/anyone they want on the Internet. I'm not exaggerating. If you read the provisions of SOPA you'll also come to this conclusion.

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18 Jan 2012, 12:48 pm

visagrunt wrote:

Obres wrote:

most small artists are SOPA activists because more and more of them have realized that if they publish completely free music, they often get more personal donations than they had made from conventional contract sales

on top of that you can still publish a cd, you can still make the big money from tours and in the end it all boils down to why you are playing music,

i would posit that 98% of the bands i listen too would rather give up the rights to their music than stop playing, this includes some decently mainstream bands, som already have given up their rights.
when music gets old enough all copyright is legally revomed as well, they are common property for all to enjoy.

so yes SOPA is only for large publishers, it will only help large publishers and i for one dont care much for buying another yacht for them when the musicians sometimes makes less than a percent.

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18 Jan 2012, 1:55 pm

visagrunt wrote:

Jesus Christ, it's scary that people as out of touch as you are members of the Public Service of Canada. How about you stop and think about the blunt, heavy-handed instruments copyright holders ALREADY have to address grievances and realize that copyrights are pretty much an outdated, medieval way of compensating artists and better public policy is needed.

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18 Jan 2012, 2:00 pm

Intellectual property doesn't exist. It is a state created monopoly.

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18 Jan 2012, 2:08 pm

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Intellectual property doesn't exist. It is a state created monopoly.

That may be, but that's like saying "The gas industry doesn't exist because we need fuel to run our cars to get to work ect."

There's a plethora of opportunity in that one sentence. Industry, fuel, car, work. All of those things create a business model, because they're all commodities. This is a free market, and we have the right (maybe not you and i in the sense where we can begin creating monopolies or business' off something as big as oil) to create a profit for ourselves.

Artists do this by producing their own work in the most literal sense. For years we've felt entitled to a safe and unregulated form of stealing called "Torrenting". It's time to crack down on this crime and create the jobs we've lost in retail and through start ups and get the economy moving. Seeing as how this will put capital back in the pockets of everybody, and consumer spending accounts for 70% of the GDP - wouldn't you say that SOPA is a positive thing?

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18 Jan 2012, 2:18 pm

WhiteWidow wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

Intellectual property doesn't exist. It is a state created monopoly.

Gas exists with or without the government, it's not legitimate comparison. Intellectual property only exists because the government says it does.

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