Country club conservatives Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney

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22 Jan 2012, 3:20 pm

Does anyone else notice the irony of the wealthy conservative Gingrich - who thinks child labour is a solution to child poverty - attacking Mitt Romney for engaging in affairs his policies would foster? Newt Gingrich, as speaker of the House, was instrumental in draconian welfare reforms that threw poor, mentally ill women onto the streets, so who knows what vile class wars he'd start as Commander and Chief.


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22 Jan 2012, 3:21 pm

they are both country club conservatives but Romney is a legacy.



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22 Jan 2012, 3:25 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAibb9CGzOA[/youtube]

blauSamstag wrote:
they are both country club conservatives but Romney is a legacy.


Yeah, legacies are only acceptable Americans if they deliberately mispronounce words and slack off.


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22 Jan 2012, 3:46 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
they are both country club conservatives but Romney is a legacy.


Yeah, legacies are only acceptable Americans if they deliberately mispronounce words and slack off.


I'm actually not sure what i was getting at with that statement. I come from a family with no concept of an old boy network.

I'm a software tester. Dad's an english professor. His dad was a judge. I think dad before him was a sheep herder or something.

I've never been in a situation where i was accepted because of who my parents are. I'm not sure i even know anyone like that. Although i went to highschool with a disowned Kennedy, he's technically someone who's not accepted in particular circles because of who his grandfather is.

But I'm aware that there are some clubs in life where there are two ways to join - either you pass a series of tests (which may be financial, or an interview process, or winning the recommendation of some number of members) or you get in because of who provided your genes or your name.

Romney is the latter in a big way.



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22 Jan 2012, 3:50 pm

Is their any significant difference between Country-Club Conservatives and Limousine Liberals?



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22 Jan 2012, 4:03 pm

blauSamstag wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
they are both country club conservatives but Romney is a legacy.


Yeah, legacies are only acceptable Americans if they deliberately mispronounce words and slack off.


I'm actually not sure what i was getting at with that statement. I come from a family with no concept of an old boy network.

I'm a software tester. Dad's an english professor. His dad was a judge. I think dad before him was a sheep herder or something.

I've never been in a situation where i was accepted because of who my parents are. I'm not sure i even know anyone like that. Although i went to highschool with a disowned Kennedy, he's technically someone who's not accepted in particular circles because of who his grandfather is.

But I'm aware that there are some clubs in life where there are two ways to join - either you pass a series of tests (which may be financial, or an interview process, or winning the recommendation of some number of members) or you get in because of who provided your genes or your name.

Romney is the latter in a big way.


I'm pretty sure that my post was clearly referencing George W. Bush's "everyman" status.


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22 Jan 2012, 4:04 pm

Fnord wrote:
Is their any significant difference between Country-Club Conservatives and Limousine Liberals?


"Limousine Liberals" typically don't tell the working poor that they're too lazy to earn money by hiring a lobbyist. Or call them "lucky duckies".

Additionally, there's a surplus of references to "limousine liberals" (many times, even being a college-educated professional is all it takes to be a member of the "liberal elite") while there's a dearth of references to country club conservatives.


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22 Jan 2012, 4:12 pm

Country club conservative Wall Street Journal writers opinions of the working poor.

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Contrast this with the lucky duckies.

Working Poor American wrote:
I will spend a year as a Wall Street Journal editor, while one lucky editor will spend a year in my underpaid shoes. I will receive an editor's salary, and suffer the outrage of paying federal income tax on that salary. The fortunate editor, on the other hand, will enjoy a relatively small federal income tax burden, as well as these other perks of near poverty: the gustatory delights of a diet rich in black beans, pinto beans, navy beans, chickpeas and, for a little variety, lentils; the thrill of scrambling to pay the rent or make the mortgage; the salutary effects of having no paid sick days; the slow satisfaction of saving up for months for a trip to the dentist; and the civic pride of knowing that, even as a lucky ducky, you still pay a third or more of your gross income in income taxes, payroll taxes, sales taxes and property taxes.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_duck ... om_critics


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22 Jan 2012, 4:48 pm

The Serial Hypocrisy ad has to be one the best attack ads ever in my opinion. People talk about Romney's PAC money sinking Newt in Iowa but I think this ad alone hurt him more than anything. They should of had it playing 24/7 in South Carolina. Hopefully they use it more going forward.

But yea, Newt is as elitist as they come. The man has been saying racist things all campaign, on video tape even, and doesn't get called on it.(not sure that would even hurt him with his supporters) Of course they'll drag the debunked 20 year old newsletter out for the hundredth time against Ron but we don't hear about what Newt has actually been saying on the campaign trail.

I honestly don't understand how anybody could like this man. His only positive attribute is that "he can debate" which apparently means he can make snarkly remarks to the moderators and dance around questions. I really am starting to lose faith in the American people, they boo the Golden Rule and cheer wildly when somebody talks about executing someone. Just a bunch of savages.



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22 Jan 2012, 5:01 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Of course they'll drag the debunked 20 year old newsletter out for the hundredth time against Ron but we don't hear about what Newt has actually been saying on the campaign trail.


In what regard have the newsletters been debunked?

Ron says he didn't write them, but people who worked for him did, and he apparently approved of their use of his name and signature.

I don't see how that makes it better.



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22 Jan 2012, 5:20 pm

blauSamstag wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Of course they'll drag the debunked 20 year old newsletter out for the hundredth time against Ron but we don't hear about what Newt has actually been saying on the campaign trail.


In what regard have the newsletters been debunked?

Ron says he didn't write them, but people who worked for him did, and he apparently approved of their use of his name and signature.

I don't see how that makes it better.


*sigh* he didn't write them, he obviously doesn't endorse those views, he didn't know about them until way after the fact. Sounds debunked to me. Do we really need to get into that again? The only reason it gets brought up is because the corporate media has deemed Paul a threat to their interests.

How much have we heard about Santorum actually believing that the very act of homosexuality should be illegal? Santorum is someone the media lathered nonstop up to win Iowa.



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22 Jan 2012, 5:35 pm

Fnord wrote:
Is their any significant difference between Country-Club Conservatives and Limousine Liberals?


Country Club Conservative is a three-word alliteration while Limousine Liberal is only two words.



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23 Jan 2012, 1:47 am

Gingrich meets people in country clubs.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20 ... blue-blood


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23 Jan 2012, 7:38 am

Master_Pedant wrote:
Does anyone else notice the irony of the wealthy conservative Gingrich - who thinks child labour is a solution to child poverty - attacking Mitt Romney for engaging in affairs his policies would foster? Newt Gingrich, as speaker of the House, was instrumental in draconian welfare reforms that threw poor, mentally ill women onto the streets, so who knows what vile class wars he'd start as Commander and Chief.


We can't afford the Welfare (or Warfare) State. If you are so concerning with poor mentally ill women contribute to their welfare out of YOUR pocket, not mine.

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23 Jan 2012, 7:46 am

ruveyn wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
Does anyone else notice the irony of the wealthy conservative Gingrich - who thinks child labour is a solution to child poverty - attacking Mitt Romney for engaging in affairs his policies would foster? Newt Gingrich, as speaker of the House, was instrumental in draconian welfare reforms that threw poor, mentally ill women onto the streets, so who knows what vile class wars he'd start as Commander and Chief.


We can't afford the Welfare (or Warfare) State. If you are so concerning with poor mentally ill women contribute to their welfare out of YOUR pocket, not mine.

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23 Jan 2012, 7:52 am

Oodain wrote:

so what is truly yours?



That which came to be because of MY efforts. That is what is mine. The same principle applies to YOU.

Neither YOU nor I have any right to prey on third parties to solve problems that we perceive.

If I read you correctly you think everything belongs to everybody and there should be no private property. We should all be tied together in a greasy squooshy knot. No thank you. Death is preferable and if you are serious in proposing it you are making war on your fellow humans. That has consequences.

In a knock down drag out fight, I will fight for what is MINE so I can leave it to MY children, not your children. If it comes to blows, it will be a war to the Death.

The problem with you socialist savages is that you do not distinguish between MINE and YOURS.

What is Mine is Mine and What is Yours is Yours.


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