What have atheism and religion got in common?
This is only my opinion, so don't kill me:
They both require a certain degree of blind faith and inflexible thinking.
Religion needs a huge amount of blind faith. I personally believe that both Christianity and the Muslim faith were started so political despots could retain power. They gave a local prophet the PR treatment, said that they had the only way to God and if you didn't follow you were eternally doomed. Add buckets of guilt and shame and Hey Presto! Control of the uneducated masses. Nice result if you are a power crazed dictator. Personally, I couldn't possibly ever summon up enough blind faith to follow a religion.
Now here is the controversial part: I think that to be a hard core "committed" atheist also requires blind faith. I have met several atheists who are mightily offended if you would even consider anything other than the all encompassing fact that current science can and will explain everything. There is nothing else, they cry. I understand that not everyone who is an atheist is like that.
Why does atheism need blind faith? Well I agree that the evidence for evolution is overwhelming and the theory of the big bang is based on scientific observation. OK, so what happened before the big bang? Where did all the mass come from in the original singularity? No one really knows, there is no conclusive opinion. So many unanswered questions. So many views and theories. Parallel universes, string theory, biocentrism. Therefore saying that there is nothing beyond our understanding of this physical realm requires blind faith.
I personally think that although science is very much more advanced than it has ever been, it is still very much in it's infancy. Who knows what will be discovered years into the future? There will certainly be so much discovered in years and millenia to come. Probably things we can't conceive of at present. At the quantam level, most of the laws that govern our physical universe no longer apply. No one really understands the nature of consciousness, although people refuse to believe that it can originate anywhere other than the brain, the complete functions of consciousness are very much an enigma. Many, many people have near death experiences. Yes, it is possible that these can be explained by brain functioning, but then again, is it wise to invalidate millions of people's personal experiences so lightly?
I think the question of atheism vs religion should be replaced with:
atheism v the possibility of there being more to existence than this physical universe.
I'll almost certainly never know the answer to this until I die.
Apologies if I've offended anyone.
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Why does atheism need blind faith? Well I agree that the evidence for evolution is overwhelming and the theory of the big bang is based on scientific observation. OK, so what happened before the big bang? Where did all the mass come from in the original singularity? No one really knows, there is no conclusive opinion. So many unanswered questions. So many views and theories. Parallel universes, string theory, biocentrism. Therefore saying that there is nothing beyond our understanding of this physical realm requires blind faith.
Who says that? Any scientist worth his pay will give you a list of as yet unsolved problems and open questions.
ruveyn
Whether atheism requires blind faith requires on the type of atheist. Weak atheism is simply lack of belief in gods, not asserting their non-existance. I agree that a strong atheist that is absolutely certain there are no gods has taken a leap of faith.
I consider myself a weak atheist and agnostic. I just never believed in gods, just as I haven't believed in elves and dragons. That does not mean I can disprove the existance of any of those.
And you don't need science to be an atheist. Science has not disproven the existance fo gods, but it has for example made a literal reading of Genesis impossible. I think most Christians believe in evolution.
Why does atheism need blind faith? Well I agree that the evidence for evolution is overwhelming and the theory of the big bang is based on scientific observation. OK, so what happened before the big bang? Where did all the mass come from in the original singularity? No one really knows, there is no conclusive opinion. So many unanswered questions. So many views and theories. Parallel universes, string theory, biocentrism. Therefore saying that there is nothing beyond our understanding of this physical realm requires blind faith.
Who says that? Any scientist worth his pay will give you a list of as yet unsolved problems and open questions.
ruveyn
I agree.
I am not referring to actual scientists, I was referring to the atheists I have met in my personal life. The majority have been completely unreceptive to the possibility of anything beyond this physical realm. Hence why I drew up the analogy between religion and atheism. I have found that I have repeatedly banged my head against both.
Perhaps I should have qualified my statement by saying "according to the people I have experienced"

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I think there is a difference. Science postulates theories. Those theories get tested experimentally and mathematically and proved right or wrong. The wrong ones ultimately get thrown away and the correct ones stay.
In religion, people tenaciously cling to what some primitive man wrote in a book thousands of years ago. Then even when proven wrong, they still stick with it despite the evidence.
Perhaps its your assumption that they are disagreeing with. Saying something exists beyond this physical realm doesn't necessarily have to mean God. Other things can exist beyond this universe that aren't God. We can just be an experiment in someone's petri dish.
Belief in a multi-verse is essentially belief in something beyond our physical realm that we can see, touch, and measure. One can't see or measure something in a parallel universe, therefore from our perspective it is beyond our physical realm.
So to say an atheist doesn't believe in anything beyond our physical universe isn't necessarily true. Maybe they are disagreeing with your assumption about what's beyond it.
So to say an atheist doesn't believe in anything beyond our physical universe isn't necessarily true. Maybe they are disagreeing with your assumption about what's beyond it.
I didn't say that science was about blind faith, I said that atheism requires an element of blind faith. To categorically state that no God exists requires an element of blind faith. Much less, granted, than religion.
I have not made any assumption about what is beyond this universe, I am simply receptive to ideas. People I have personally met, are not. That's my personal experience. Others may differ. For example, if I bring up NDEs, or biocentrism, or mathematicians finding computer like code in string theory mathematics, I am simply told that there can be no truth in them.
Please understand that I am not purporting that there is anything in these theories/experiences. I simply wanted to discuss them to see what people thought and I've just been stonewalled.
I literally have not much of a clue. It's all beyond me. It a bit frustrating because I'd really like to know. I guess I never will in this lifetime. I'd really like some answers. Maybe the aren't any

I just don't understand how people can have such definite views. Again, I am talking about the people I have met, not you.
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They both require a certain degree of blind faith and inflexible thinking.
Religion needs a huge amount of blind faith. I personally believe that both Christianity and the Muslim faith were started so political despots could retain power. They gave a local prophet the PR treatment, said that they had the only way to God and if you didn't follow you were eternally doomed. Add buckets of guilt and shame and Hey Presto! Control of the uneducated masses. Nice result if you are a power crazed dictator. Personally, I couldn't possibly ever summon up enough blind faith to follow a religion.
Now here is the controversial part: I think that to be a hard core "committed" atheist also requires blind faith. I have met several atheists who are mightily offended if you would even consider anything other than the all encompassing fact that current science can and will explain everything. There is nothing else, they cry. I understand that not everyone who is an atheist is like that.
Why does atheism need blind faith? Well I agree that the evidence for evolution is overwhelming and the theory of the big bang is based on scientific observation. OK, so what happened before the big bang? Where did all the mass come from in the original singularity? No one really knows, there is no conclusive opinion. So many unanswered questions. So many views and theories. Parallel universes, string theory, biocentrism. Therefore saying that there is nothing beyond our understanding of this physical realm requires blind faith.
I personally think that although science is very much more advanced than it has ever been, it is still very much in it's infancy. Who knows what will be discovered years into the future? There will certainly be so much discovered in years and millenia to come. Probably things we can't conceive of at present. At the quantam level, most of the laws that govern our physical universe no longer apply. No one really understands the nature of consciousness, although people refuse to believe that it can originate anywhere other than the brain, the complete functions of consciousness are very much an enigma. Many, many people have near death experiences. Yes, it is possible that these can be explained by brain functioning, but then again, is it wise to invalidate millions of people's personal experiences so lightly?
I think the question of atheism vs religion should be replaced with:
atheism v the possibility of there being more to existence than this physical universe.
I'll almost certainly never know the answer to this until I die.
Apologies if I've offended anyone.
Blind faith: belief without true understanding, perception, or discrimination
People with blind faith believes what they believe even when it is disproven. If you proved to an atheist that one or more gods exists, then he or she would belive that god(s) exists.
Ergo, atheism has nothing to do with blind faith.
Which is why we never hear an atheist say: "As the holy scripture says:'It is no God'!"
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Reality is an illusion.
What is a God anyway? Asking someone if they believe something that exists that is hard to define is a weird question.
Now the universe is a big place so you could ask a person if they believe Alien life exists out there somewhere. A common sensible reply the odds are really good for something similar to Earth could be out there somewhere.
Ask me if God(s) exist and I'll need to be more specific. Which God is this and what the heck is a God anyway? Are we talking a super advanced Alien who's technology would seem like magic to us?
Maybe somewhere out there is the equivelent of THOR from Marvel comics. Asgard and the whole bit. Ancients called them Gods but he is basically an alien about as much as Superman is. Is that the kind of God that Atheists should consider as possibly existing?
Now the universe is a big place so you could ask a person if they believe Alien life exists out there somewhere. A common sensible reply the odds are really good for something similar to Earth could be out there somewhere.
Ask me if God(s) exist and I'll need to be more specific. Which God is this and what the heck is a God anyway? Are we talking a super advanced Alien who's technology would seem like magic to us?
Maybe somewhere out there is the equivelent of THOR from Marvel comics. Asgard and the whole bit. Ancients called them Gods but he is basically an alien about as much as Superman is. Is that the kind of God that Atheists should consider as possibly existing?
n.
1. God
a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.
b. The force, effect, or a manifestation or aspect of this being.
2. A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.
3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol.
4. One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed: Money was their god.
5. A very handsome man.
6. A powerful ruler or despot.
~The Free Dictionary
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What have atheism and religion got in common?
They're both centuries-old ideas that people often argue about deep into the night, in futile efforts, to change their counterparts' minds.
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n.
1. God
a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.
b. The force, effect, or a manifestation or aspect of this being.
2. A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.
3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol.
4. One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed: Money was their god.
5. A very handsome man.
6. A powerful ruler or despot.
~The Free Dictionary
Given definition number five, I am no longer an atheist. I am a god!

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Why does atheism need blind faith? Well I agree that the evidence for evolution is overwhelming and the theory of the big bang is based on scientific observation. OK, so what happened before the big bang? Where did all the mass come from in the original singularity? No one really knows, there is no conclusive opinion. So many unanswered questions. So many views and theories. Parallel universes, string theory, biocentrism.
I'm not sure how you've come to the conclusion that atheism is challenged by a lack of knowledge of events prior to the big bang (or indeed any gap in scientific understanding). The concept of god or gods as we understand it was not formed prior to the formation of the universe. Rather, it was formed by human beings misinterpreting events that we can now explain with science as acts of some higher being.
If I understand correctly, you're asserting that a gap in knowledge is evidence of a god or gods. This is no different to describing solar eclipses, tornadoes or droughts as 'acts of God', prior to scientific understanding.
How have you come to the conclusion that all atheists believe or state that there is nothing beyond our understanding of this physical realm? I'm quite certain you'd struggle to find even a single atheist who would argue that we have 100% understanding of our universe. There are still large gaps in our understanding of what is, let alone what came before.
Your suggestion, therefore, includes a logical fallacy and has little-to-no merit.