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30 Jan 2012, 1:49 am

i found this really intriguing article earlier today, no responses necessary though if you intend to bash it i implore you to read it first. if you don't intend to bash it i still implore you to read it first, it is a very good article

http://agnosticreview.com/cultleader.htm


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30 Jan 2012, 1:53 am

It's funny because it is true.


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30 Jan 2012, 1:53 am

Nice article, I didn't have to read that to know that Christianity is a cult. It is common knowledge, I thought. No?



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30 Jan 2012, 2:04 am

Lyca wrote:
Nice article, I didn't have to read that to know that Christianity is a cult. It is common knowledge, I thought. No?



yes but i love reading and this is well written as well as being true, i posted it hoping people would read it because its a good article, i felt compelled to share it with others hell i bookmarked it on my PS3 web browser


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30 Jan 2012, 10:37 am

Lyca wrote:
Nice article, I didn't have to read that to know that Christianity is a cult. It is common knowledge, I thought. No?


A religion is a cult that outlives its Founder by at least two generations.

Consider the Abraham Cults. Nowadays we call them religions: Judaism and Islam.

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30 Jan 2012, 10:40 am

A lot of people still regard Mormonism as a "cult" rather than a legitimate religion.



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30 Jan 2012, 10:42 am

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A lot of people still regard Mormonism as a "cult" rather than a legitimate religion.


They are mistaken. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young are dead a long time.

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30 Jan 2012, 3:26 pm

Most Jews probably regarded Christianity as a rather bizarre cult, back when it first got going. A lot of gentiles were already accustomed to believing in half-human half-divine beings.



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30 Jan 2012, 5:15 pm

Considering that the author of the article was writing for an agnostic site, I think it's fair to say that he hardly was writing from an unbiased point of view.
Incidentally, the passage where the author sites for Jesus ending a story with "Now go forth and kill my enemies," is in fact the same passage that's sited by white nationalists. In both cases, the interpretation is wrong.
And the first passage sited by the author has Jesus telling his disciples that all power in heaven had been invested in him, and to baptize all nations, was after Jesus was said to have been resurrected from the dead. Kinda hard to argue with a guy who came back from the dead, can transport himself at will, and finally ascended into heaven. Hell, if I could do all that, I'd be demanding pretty heavy respect, myself!

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30 Jan 2012, 5:42 pm

ruveyn wrote:
pandabear wrote:
A lot of people still regard Mormonism as a "cult" rather than a legitimate religion.


They are mistaken. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young are dead a long time.

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If President John Tyler's family and grandsons were Mormon, would it still be a cult then?


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30 Jan 2012, 6:07 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Considering that the author of the article was writing for an agnostic site, I think it's fair to say that he hardly was writing from an unbiased point of view.
Incidentally, the passage where the author sites for Jesus ending a story with "Now go forth and kill my enemies," is in fact the same passage that's sited by white nationalists. In both cases, the interpretation is wrong.
And the first passage sited by the author has Jesus telling his disciples that all power in heaven had been invested in him, and to baptize all nations, was after Jesus was said to have been resurrected from the dead. Kinda hard to argue with a guy who came back from the dead, can transport himself at will, and finally ascended into heaven. Hell, if I could do all that, I'd be demanding pretty heavy respect, myself!

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And the second you started saying you could do that, I'd be asking you prove it all.

Maybe when someone has some proof I'll believe in the bible. Until then, it is a work of fiction.


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30 Jan 2012, 8:14 pm

Lyca wrote:
Nice article, I didn't have to read that to know that Christianity is a cult. It is common knowledge, I thought. No?


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30 Jan 2012, 9:25 pm

abacacus wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Considering that the author of the article was writing for an agnostic site, I think it's fair to say that he hardly was writing from an unbiased point of view.
Incidentally, the passage where the author sites for Jesus ending a story with "Now go forth and kill my enemies," is in fact the same passage that's sited by white nationalists. In both cases, the interpretation is wrong.
And the first passage sited by the author has Jesus telling his disciples that all power in heaven had been invested in him, and to baptize all nations, was after Jesus was said to have been resurrected from the dead. Kinda hard to argue with a guy who came back from the dead, can transport himself at will, and finally ascended into heaven. Hell, if I could do all that, I'd be demanding pretty heavy respect, myself!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


And the second you started saying you could do that, I'd be asking you prove it all.

Maybe when someone has some proof I'll believe in the bible. Until then, it is a work of fiction.



yeah i agree, its just mythology to me, i view the story of Jesus in the same light as the story of Zeus


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30 Jan 2012, 10:36 pm

According to you, Jesus never existed.

How is he, all of a sudden, a cult leader if he happened to be a real god in a purely mythological story.



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31 Jan 2012, 2:50 am

snapcap wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
pandabear wrote:
A lot of people still regard Mormonism as a "cult" rather than a legitimate religion.


They are mistaken. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young are dead a long time.

ruveyn


If President John Tyler's family and grandsons were Mormon, would it still be a cult then?


The LDS church has clearly outlived the need for their founding gurus. It is a going organization.

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31 Jan 2012, 3:54 am

ruveyn wrote:
snapcap wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
pandabear wrote:
A lot of people still regard Mormonism as a "cult" rather than a legitimate religion.


They are mistaken. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young are dead a long time.

ruveyn


If President John Tyler's family and grandsons were Mormon, would it still be a cult then?


The LDS church has clearly outlived the need for their founding gurus. It is a going organization.

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It is still in the official big book: "The Kingdom of the Cults" by Walter Martin, Ravi Zacharias (2003), Chapter 6, pages 193-259.