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29 Jan 2012, 11:36 pm

I live in a country where most people lack religion .
I know what lacking of religion mean to us.
I would like to prove several points.

1.Atheism makes a society Orwellian
Maybe some Westerners may say that Atheism helps people see the world better.
That's just the opposite.
In religion,truth always exist and it could never be deleted and falsified.
In Atheism,if you could make everybody believe that something is truth,it becomes the truth.
Adolf Hitler was NOT a Catholic.
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"Only in the Roman Empire and in Spain under Arab domination has culture been a potent factor. Under the Arab, the standard attained was wholly admirable; to Spain flocked the greatest scientists, thinkers, astronomers, and mathematicians of the world, and side by side there flourished a spirit of sweet human tolerance and a sense of purist chivalry. Then with the advent of Christianity, came the barbarians. Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers—already you see the world had already fallen into the hands of the Jews, so gutless a thing Christianity!—then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so."
28 August 1942
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“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”.
George Orwell said in <1984> that the past only exist in people's minds and histories.
If we could falsify history and make people believe that it is the "real" history,
it becomes the real history.

In Atheism,these things are right so there are Nazis and Commies.
We could hardly know how many people died in the Great Purge because documents about it have been deleted.
In Atheism,2+2!=4.
If the society said that it is 5,you must believe that it is 5.
Atheist societies never exchange ideas.
If you don't agree with the society,the society will persecute you instead of a debate.

So Atheist societies are always Orwellian.
They always persecute those who are different from them,especially us Aspies.
In Atheism,people are judged by "history",which could be falsified easily.
If the Commies rule the world,Kim Jong Il and Pol Pot were very good people.
If the Nazis rule the world,Hitler was a very good person.
Do you find it ridiculous?

2.Atheist societies are always authoritarian.
In Atheism,dying for democracy and truth is meaningless.
Death threat could scare most people.
Between death and live with no democracy and no freedom,Atheists usually choose to survive with no democracy and no freedom.
Atheists will always choose to live under Stalin and Hitler instead of death.
In Atheist societies such as ancient China,people never rebel when they did not starve to death.
Rebellion happened only when millions of people have starved to death and anybody believe that they could not keep themselves alive without rebellion.
Then rebellion could be strong enough to challenge the government.
If a country turn Atheist,it will become authoritarian sooner or later because of point 1 and 3.
Authoritarian Atheist countries could never become democratic states unless their citizens become religious or people starve en masse.
The later will not happen again,thanks to international aid.

3.Atheist societies have no,if any,morality.
In Atheism,morality means nothing.
Take post-Soviet Russia as an example.
Commies make Russians less religious ,and cronyism and lack of morality are significant more severe than pre-1917 Russia.
It could not award you anything and it could even week you economically and politically.
So,in Atheist societies,people usually pretend to be nice while they are bad.
Just like reason 1,in Atheism,people's opinion is important while the facts are not.
We could see many Atheists pretend to be nice because letting others think that they are nice is important while being nice is not.
Atheism make people more hypocritical.
Atheism make people more likely to be tyrants and demagogues.

4.Atheist societies do not put value on science.
I know that it is contrary to many people's ideas.
First,take myself as an example.
I am a college student,majoring in math.
I and one of my friends are Christians .
We want to do research in the future.
He loves topology while I love coding theory.
The Atheists in my class want to go to Wall Street or be a bureaucrat and earn more money.
In Atheism,people tend not to do research because it is less financial awarding.
Atheism makes people less ambitious and care more about money.
Secondly,science and technology is about facts and facts are meaningless in Atheism.
(point 1 and 3)
In Atheism,whether 2+2 equals to 4 is unimprtant while people's opinion about whether 2+2 equals to 4 is important.
Atheist societies always falsifies science,we could see German Physics and Lysenkoism.
In North Korea,engineers believe that water boils at 120 Celsius under Standard atmospheric pressure.
Atheism makes anti-intellectualism,which exist in almost every Atheist society.
The governments try their best to week its citizens and make citizens dumb in every Atheist society because they are all authoritarian and do not put value on facts.

In sum,the most important fact about Atheism is that it is Orwellian and puts no value on facts.
Orwellism cause authoritarianism and lacking of morality.

In Atheism,whether 2+2 equals to 4 is unimprtant while people's opinion about whether 2+2 equals to 4 is important.



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29 Jan 2012, 11:43 pm

And in Christianity, Pi=3.

You are very wrong. Atheism is not about opinion, it is about fact.

You are delusional, foolish, and ignorant of the subject at hand.

By the way, Hitler was raised Catholic and believed his work was sanctioned by god.


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29 Jan 2012, 11:46 pm

I agree with abacacus. That was almost painful to read


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29 Jan 2012, 11:53 pm

No offense but your post didn't make much sense. Seems just like incoherent rambling. Again, no offense meant.



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29 Jan 2012, 11:55 pm

Atomsk wrote:
No offense but your post didn't make much sense. Seems just like incoherent rambling. Again, no offense meant.


I don't think his first language is English
But in any case I do understand what he was getting at and I think he is absolutely wrong


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29 Jan 2012, 11:59 pm

To Abacacus:
Please prove that in Christianity pi=3,thanks.
If you live in Dolchavia,you will know what I mean.
My first language is not English,if it is incoherent,I am pretty sorry.



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30 Jan 2012, 12:03 am

Hitler was born a Roman Catholic.
That does not mean that he was ALWAYS a Roman Catholic.
If he was always a Roman Catholic,why did Kirchenkampf exist?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirchenkampf

The Kirchenkampf can be divided into five stages.[3]

First (spring to fall 1933):

Hitler makes efforts to assimilate the churches into the culture of National Socialism.
The Reichskonkordat was an outcome of this stage.
The preparation to create a unified single Reichskirche from the 28 regional Protestant churches , the Ludwig Müller controversy, and the beginning of the rise of the Confessing Church

Second (fall 1933 – fall 1934)

The regime attempted to bring the churches under the control of the Nazi state
Opposition to these efforts led to the emergence of the Confessing Church
The regime breaches various portions of the Concordat

Third (fall 1934 – February 1937)

The regime tried to bring the Protestant churches under its control by taking charge of church finances and governance structures.

Fourth (February 1937 – 1939)

More open conflict based on "Nazism itself and its anti-Christian worldviews"
The regime increased its imprisonment of resistant clergy, such as Martin Niemöller

Fifth stage (1939–1945)

More clergy were imprisoned
Dietrich Bonhoeffer was imprisoned and executed
Clergy were drafted into the military
Church publications were censored or banned
Services and functions restricted or banned



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30 Jan 2012, 12:04 am

Czeslaw_Kowalski wrote:
To Abacacus:
Please prove that in Christianity pi=3,thanks.
If you live in Dolchavia,you will know what I mean.
My first language is not English,if it is incoherent,I am pretty sorry.



And he [Hiram] made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one rim to the other it was round all about, and...a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about....And it was an hand breadth thick...." — First Kings, chapter 7, verses 23 and 26

The only way I can interpret that, is the that the diameter of the sea was ten cubits.

However, if the diameter is ten cubits the circumference would be 31.4 cubits. By saying it was 30 cubits around, it says pi=3.


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30 Jan 2012, 12:09 am

I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2

Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5

I had so often sung 'Deutschland über Alles' and shouted 'Heil' at the top of my lungs, that it seemed to me almost a belated act of grace to be allowed to stand as a witness in the divine court of the eternal judge and proclaim the sincerity of this conviction.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5

Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord's grace smiled on His ungrateful children.

- Adolf Hitler reflecting on World War I, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 7

What we have to fight for is the necessary security for the existence and increase of our race and people, the subsistence of its children and the maintenance of our racial stock unmixed, the freedom and independence of the Fatherland; so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 8

In short, the results of miscegenation are always the following: (a) The level of the superior race becomes lowered; (b) physical and mental degeneration sets in, thus leading slowly but steadily towards a progressive drying up of the vital sap. The act which brings about such a development is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator. And as a sin this act will be avenged.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 11

Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 1



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30 Jan 2012, 12:24 am

First of all,Christianity is something defined in the Bible .
Christians could not define Christianity.
Christians could not alter Christianity.
For example,there was something called Crusades ,which claimed to be good to Christianity,but they contradict Christian values.

Denis Michael Rohan,an Australian tourist,set fire to the al-Aqsa Mosque.
He thought that God commanded him to do so,but that does not equals to God commanded him to do so.
Maybe Hitler was still a Christian when he wrote <Mein Kampf>.
Hitler thought that God commanded him to kill the Jews.
That is not equal to God command him to kill the Jews,which obviously contradicts Christianity.
He was no longer a Christian when he came to power.



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30 Jan 2012, 12:25 am

well in countries that are theocracies, civil rights are notoriously nonexistent, women generally have little to no rights, you can be legally murdered for not being the same religion, zealotry runs rampant perverting every sector of society, progress is punishable by death because its heretical....unless its purpose is destruction, countries that are theocracies are 99.9% of the time third world countries constantly in one devastating war or another causing countless deaths and much property damage.

yes OP, OBVIOUSLY religion is the right way to go, society will thrive greatly in that kind of oh so family friendly environment


you can write volumes on the subject of why religion and government should NEVER control one another as you suggest they should


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30 Jan 2012, 12:27 am

The Pope could alter Roman Catholicism,but he could not change Christianity.
Christianity could not be reformed while the church could.
If a person claims to kill for Christ ,that does not mean Jesus Christ permits killing.



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30 Jan 2012, 12:27 am

Czeslaw_Kowalski wrote:
First of all,Christianity is something defined in the Bible .
Christians could not define Christianity.
Christians could not alter Christianity.
For example,there was something called Crusades ,which claimed to be good to Christianity,but they contradict Christian values.

Denis Michael Rohan,an Australian tourist,set fire to the al-Aqsa Mosque.
He thought that God commanded him to do so,but that does not equals to God commanded him to do so.
Maybe Hitler was still a Christian when he wrote <Mein Kampf>.
Hitler thought that God commanded him to kill the Jews.
That is not equal to God command him to kill the Jews,which obviously contradicts Christianity.
He was no longer a Christian when he came to power.


Actually the bible says several times to murder non-Christians, and at one point says if anyone tries to spread another religion in a city to destroy the entire city and let not even cows live.

Murder is a christian virtue.


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30 Jan 2012, 12:36 am

abacacus wrote:
And in Christianity, Pi=3.


:lol:

I find that funny because I used to teach basic maths skills and some of the papers gave that value of pi. Now I know it was the Christians fault that the papers were so dumbed down!


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30 Jan 2012, 12:36 am

The New Testament has abrogated those commands in the Old Testament.
Please find a single verse in New Testament that encourage killing.
I know what you are talking about.
You are talking about Canaanites and Agagites,right?
God commanded the Israelites to kill the Canaaites,not the non-believers,right?
It is in the Old Testament,and it is a specific case,it could not be generalised.
It has nothing to do with us Gentile Christians.



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30 Jan 2012, 12:39 am

Czeslaw_Kowalski wrote:
The New Testament has abrogated those commands in the Old Testament.
Please find a single verse in New Testament that encourage killing.
I know what you are talking about.
You are talking about Canaanites and Agagites,right?
God commanded the Israelites to kill the Canaaites,not the non-believers,right?
It is in the Old Testament,and it is a specific case,it could not be generalised.
It has nothing to do with us Gentile Christians.


The New Testament did no such thing.

According to JESUS HIMSELF:

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
Matthew 5:17


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