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02 Mar 2012, 2:22 pm

a lot of my extended family is hardcore republican. And a view that the ones I know better share is that the people on welfare just have babies so that they can get more money from the government. This view just seems very ignorant to me.

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02 Mar 2012, 2:39 pm

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I am going to apply for disibility and maybe food stamps but I don't want kids, because clearly I am having enough trouble taking care of myself so it would be very irresponsible to bring a baby into it, not to mention I just would prefer not having kids. My friend who's disabled from being in the Military has food stamps and disibility and I don't see him having a baby to get more money any time soon.

So I agree that is very ignorant....though there are people out there that do use children this way, and I certainly disagree with what they are doing.

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02 Mar 2012, 3:05 pm

it is in fact a common view here in the uk, since people who aren't working can claim additional benefits for having children. it's a stupid and very bigoted viewpoint.

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02 Mar 2012, 3:11 pm

These are the same kind of idiots who would support corporate welfare. They are really just elitist bullies.

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02 Mar 2012, 3:45 pm

Anyone who believes that people have children for the sole purpose of gaining more benefits should try and live for a month on benefits and see whether they persist in that view.

The simple fact of the matter is that the additional benefit received for children does not come close to touching the cost of raising a child.

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02 Mar 2012, 4:37 pm

I think that it is a common view. But I don't think that it is correct.

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02 Mar 2012, 4:38 pm

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What says the parents incompetent enough to do this are raising their kids? Typically kids in families like that grow up neglected.

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02 Mar 2012, 5:42 pm

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Poor, uneducated people are more likely to cling to religion, and many Christian denominations teach a "be fruitful and multiply" philosophy. Abortion is a sin, and so is the use of contraceptives.

Republicans preach the same, with additional emphasis on "abstinence only" sex education, which inevitably leads to high teenage pregnancy. Pregnant kids drop out of high school, get married, and either work a cr*ppy minimum wage job or have to get by on welfare. Their religious principles cause them to get pregnant again and again.

In other words, this problem is engineered by the religious right wing, who then turn around and rile up the middle class against those at the bottom of the socio-economic ladder. Divide and conquer, and make sure that there are many future soldiers to feed the war machine.

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02 Mar 2012, 6:20 pm

A lot of people think that, but the real money is in the foster care system.

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03 Mar 2012, 1:58 am

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Alexender wrote:

hmmm, not the cause in the uk, where those in lower socio-economic class are not in general likely to be religious.

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03 Mar 2012, 7:59 am

peebo wrote:

hmmm, not the cause in the uk, where those in lower socio-economic class are not in general likely to be religious.

The BME ones usually are. Where I live, the white ones are usually Catholic enough to never get an abortion and not be too clued-up about contraception (seriously, when I was in Catholic school, the main sex education was 'don't', this was in the late 90s! Lots of girls were having kids before they had much sex ed). I remember the time the Catholic church paid this 12 year old girl not to have an abortion (that was the youngest case, but there were hundreds of others). As far as I know, Cardinal Winning is still at it, paying women and girls not to abort.

As for the OP, that's a very common view in the UK, but it's incorrect. Almost near-universal belief is that poor women have their first baby to get a council house. I think they do it because not much else is expected of them.

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03 Mar 2012, 12:03 pm

peebo wrote:

CrazyCatLord wrote:

Alexender wrote:

hmmm, not the cause in the uk, where those in lower socio-economic class are not in general likely to be religious.

That seems to be the case from my experience to......and most people I know who are in the lower economic class do not view abortion or contraception as a sin and aren't pregnant.

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03 Mar 2012, 12:10 pm

visagrunt wrote:

The simple fact of the matter is that the additional benefit received for children does not come close to touching the cost of raising a child.

Why do so many people have kids that they clearly cannot look after then and shouldn't be having?

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03 Mar 2012, 12:13 pm

Tequila wrote:

visagrunt wrote:

The simple fact of the matter is that the additional benefit received for children does not come close to touching the cost of raising a child.

Why do so many people have kids that they clearly cannot look after then and shouldn't be having?

Ignorance, social expectations to start a family, teen pregnancy, ect.

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03 Mar 2012, 12:14 pm

Alexender wrote:

By "Welfare", do they mean SSI?

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03 Mar 2012, 1:07 pm

Alexender wrote:

The "Hardcore Repugnicans" believe that women should not have contraception or abortion as options. A woman who participates (even passively) in her husband's orgasm, but who uses contraception or otherwise prevents a pregnancy, is as bad as a prostitute.

"Hardcore Republicans" are also violently opposed to providing any support for children, particularly in the form of "government handouts." The children can be used in medical experiments and sent to a glue factory after they've been born, but must be neither contraceived nor aborted. Raptor will back me up on that.

"Softcore Republicans" know that the Repugnican Party might lose elections to Democrats if they campaigned on such platforms. The "Softcore Republicans" are more pragmatic, and would favor providing mandatory abortions if the mother will not be able to provide for the child, because it ends up being cheaper in the long run than providing subsidized school lunches and, frequently, keeping the progeny alive in juvenile and then adult prisons.

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