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10 Feb 2012, 7:00 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=briIyA4LwdM[/youtube]

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uestion: Are people with celiac disease always thin, or can they be overweight?
Answer: Overweight people can definitely have celiac disease.

There are two main reasons why people often associate celiac disease with being very thin. First, years ago it was thought that celiac sprue -- which is what celiac disease used to be called -- only developed in babies and young children. These young patients were usually extremely underweight for their age and weren't growing appropriately, a condition generally called "failure to thrive."

Another reason why it was thought that celiac patients are always thin is that the disease damages the lining of the small intestine and causes a condition called malabsorption, in which nutrients can't be absorbed properly by the body. People with malabsorption are often underweight, which is why doctors did not usually consider a diagnosis of celiac disease in people who are overweight.

Now, however, medical research has been showing that people with celiac disease are not always thin. For example, in one study published in the Archives of Pediatric and Adolescent Medicine in 2008, 11.2% of children diagnosed with celiac disease were overweight. In another study in the American Journal of Gastroenterology published in 2001, 39% of adults with celiac disease were overweight when they were diagnosed.

In its Consensus Statement on Celiac Disease, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) cautioned doctors that, "The single most important step in diagnosing celiac disease is to first consider the disorder." These days, more and more doctors are realizing that the diagnosis of celiac disease should be considered in patients who are overweight, too.


http://celiacdisease.about.com/od/celia ... ysThin.htm

So, in short, the test-lazy physician may very well have failed to diagnose a man with celiac because of their unfamiliarity with the literature on the disease. Honestly, I've heard there's a lot of structural problems with medical schools, including a lack of intellectual curiosity and gross academic dishonesty on the part of those who attend, and cases like these (which are pretty anecdotal, but still concern me) seem consistent with such a view.


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10 Feb 2012, 7:02 pm

So can any physician from any country.


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10 Feb 2012, 7:13 pm

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/ ... reasons-t/

Overview of some of the structural problems with the pre-med/med student education.


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10 Feb 2012, 7:21 pm

I think doctors should know about nutrition and can relay that info to patients. I can't remember the last time a doctor talked to me about nutrition.



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10 Feb 2012, 8:57 pm

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US Physicians can sure be dumb at times.


Seeing how the story is brought to us by the Young Turds right off I know it's subversive BS even without watching it.

Can't you come up with a better daily slam for the US than this????
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10 Feb 2012, 9:02 pm

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I think doctors should know about nutrition and can relay that info to patients. I can't remember the last time a doctor talked to me about nutrition.


Doctors specialize in different fields. This isn't exactly new... you see a nutritionist if you are having dietary issues.


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10 Feb 2012, 9:07 pm

Raptor wrote:
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US Physicians can sure be dumb at times.


Seeing how the story is brought to us by the Young Turds right off I know it's subversive BS even without watching it.


I'm not sure if you believe that, but it still deserves this: :roll:

The TYT clip isn't actually about how bad US physicians are, it's Cenk Uygur agreeing with a physician. But he was dumb to do so given my article (unless you seriously are going to start doubting "Celiac about" right now).

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Can't you come up with a better daily slam for the US than this????
:roll:


As someone who's quite nostalgic about the Confederacy, you're the man who disrespects the United States of America. You also hate the Constitution as well, so you're as Anti-American as they come.


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10 Feb 2012, 9:50 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
Raptor wrote:
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US Physicians can sure be dumb at times.


Seeing how the story is brought to us by the Young Turds right off I know it's subversive BS even without watching it.


I'm not sure if you believe that, but it still deserves this: :roll:

The TYT clip isn't actually about how bad US physicians are, it's Cenk Uygur agreeing with a physician. But he was dumb to do so given my article (unless you seriously are going to start doubting "Celiac about" right now).


I don't have an opinion on celiac disease one way or another.

Raptor wrote:
Can't you come up with a better daily slam for the US than this????
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As someone who's quite nostalgic about the Confederacy, you're the man who disrespects the United States of America. You also hate the Constitution as well, so you're as Anti-American as they come.


I didn't know I was nostalgic enough about the confederacy to call it that but whatever. The charge that I hate the constitution is an attempt to resurrect the argument about that banner in that high school in Rhode Island that some little atheist tart had an issue with.
Even if I did hate the U.S. Constitution it's mine to hate, not yours.....
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10 Feb 2012, 9:51 pm

^^ So are all your sh***y hockey teams also only yours to hate [just kidding, sorta]? :P Nazism only Germany's to hate? :P


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10 Feb 2012, 10:24 pm

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^^ So are all your sh***y hockey teams also only yours to hate [just kidding, sorta]? :P Nazism only Germany's to hate? :P


Hockey is more you people's domain. We're more of a football nation.

Nazism is a thing of the past but we'll go there anyway.
Personally, I wouldn't have cared what they did within their own borders if they'd left it within their borders but they didn't. It obviously became an interest to any country they invaded or were at war with at the time.
The U.S., on the other hand, isn't in to expansionism (no, Iraq and Afghanistan aren't examples of expansionism) so our Constitution is our own to fret over. When we run low on maple syrup or want to acquire some good hockey teams and annex Canada then it will become something for you and your buddy Master Pedant to fret over.
:P :P



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10 Feb 2012, 11:15 pm

Not into expansionism? :lmao: Do you even know anything about your own country's history?

...

How do you think the US went from 13 colonies along one coast to span across the continent? Besides that, what about US history following the Civil War? There was absolutely no difference between the US and the other "Great Powers" of the time. You guys were doing the exact same thing as us (British Empire and Dominions), the Belgians, French, Germans etc. Why else do you think your country has so many overseas possessions in the Pacific, Alaska and Puerto Rico, to name some results of your imperial time. Expansionism no longer has to mean expanding borders, since Iraq and Afghanistan are likely to be under the thumb of US interests for decades to come

The US is more like Athens in practicing hegemony than an "evil" empire at this point. A rather clumsy hegemony

I wonder what you actually know about Canada. I for one hope this stays true:

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Your attitude, though often in jest, makes me worry some of you Yankees and Johnny Rebs forget the importance of good friends


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10 Feb 2012, 11:22 pm

Raptor wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
^^ So are all your sh***y hockey teams also only yours to hate [just kidding, sorta]? :P Nazism only Germany's to hate? :P


Hockey is more you people's domain. We're more of a football nation.

Nazism is a thing of the past but we'll go there anyway.
Personally, I wouldn't have cared what they did within their own borders if they'd left it within their borders but they didn't. It obviously became an interest to any country they invaded or were at war with at the time.
The U.S., on the other hand, isn't in to expansionism (no, Iraq and Afghanistan aren't examples of expansionism) so our Constitution is our own to fret over. When we run low on maple syrup or want to acquire some good hockey teams and annex Canada then it will become something for you and your buddy Master Pedant to fret over.
:P :P

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Master_Pedant wrote:
Raptor wrote:
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US Physicians can sure be dumb at times.


Seeing how the story is brought to us by the Young Turds right off I know it's subversive BS even without watching it.


I'm not sure if you believe that, but it still deserves this: :roll:

The TYT clip isn't actually about how bad US physicians are, it's Cenk Uygur agreeing with a physician. But he was dumb to do so given my article (unless you seriously are going to start doubting "Celiac about" right now).


I don't have an opinion on celiac disease one way or another.

Raptor wrote:
Can't you come up with a better daily slam for the US than this????
:roll:


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As someone who's quite nostalgic about the Confederacy, you're the man who disrespects the United States of America. You also hate the Constitution as well, so you're as Anti-American as they come.


I didn't know I was nostalgic enough about the confederacy to call it that but whatever. The charge that I hate the constitution is an attempt to resurrect the argument about that banner in that high school in Rhode Island that some little atheist tart had an issue with.
Even if I did hate the U.S. Constitution it's mine to hate, not yours.....
:roll:


Hi Raptor,

To your challenge of "Can't you come up with a better daily slam for the US than this????", you have won that challenge by your own posts.

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11 Feb 2012, 12:27 am

Raptor wrote:
Hockey is more you people's domain. We're more of a football nation.

Nazism is a thing of the past but we'll go there anyway.
Personally, I wouldn't have cared what they did within their own borders if they'd left it within their borders but they didn't. It obviously became an interest to any country they invaded or were at war with at the time.
The U.S., on the other hand, isn't in to expansionism (no, Iraq and Afghanistan aren't examples of expansionism) so our Constitution is our own to fret over. When we run low on maple syrup or want to acquire some good hockey teams and annex Canada then it will become something for you and your buddy Master Pedant to fret over.
:P :P


HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :lol:

The Unites States directly effects Canada. We have every right to talk about your country in whatever way we please, and you can not deny us that.

If you don't want to see it, leave the PPR forum.


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11 Feb 2012, 12:33 am

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How do you think the US went from 13 colonies along one coast to span across the continent? Besides that, what about US history following the Civil War? There was absolutely no difference between the US and the other "Great Powers" of the time. You guys were doing the exact same thing as us (British Empire and Dominions), the Belgians, French, Germans etc. Why else do you think your country has so many overseas possessions in the Pacific, Alaska and Puerto Rico, to name some results of your imperial time. Expansionism no longer has to mean expanding borders, since Iraq and Afghanistan are likely to be under the thumb of US interests for decades to come.


Yes I know American history.

I meant recent history with the expansionism thing. We haven’t done diddly as far as expansion but I’m sure you’ll find some way to disagree.
And we never had holdings on the scale that the British Empire did in its heyday. I can’t blame any nation for colonialism at a time when land was available, though. It’s a matter of staking claim to it or someone else will.

You can blame the leadership (or lack of it) of Iraq and Afghanistan for their situation over the past decade. Or maybe blame that whole region for not keeping their house in order.
Canada has had a hand in taming the beast over there as well.


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The US is more like Athens in practicing hegemony than an "evil" empire at this point. A rather clumsy hegemony.

We don’t have much more than ourselves to practice hegemony over.

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I wonder what you actually know about Canada. I for one hope this stays true.

Obviously I was joking about the annexation of Canada. :roll:
We have enough of our own maple syrup to get by on.

And I believe I have a higher opinion of Canada than some Canadians I can think of seem to have of the United States.



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11 Feb 2012, 12:45 am

abacacus wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Hockey is more you people's domain. We're more of a football nation.

Nazism is a thing of the past but we'll go there anyway.
Personally, I wouldn't have cared what they did within their own borders if they'd left it within their borders but they didn't. It obviously became an interest to any country they invaded or were at war with at the time.
The U.S., on the other hand, isn't in to expansionism (no, Iraq and Afghanistan aren't examples of expansionism) so our Constitution is our own to fret over. When we run low on maple syrup or want to acquire some good hockey teams and annex Canada then it will become something for you and your buddy Master Pedant to fret over.
:P :P


HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :lol:

The Unites States directly effects Canada. We have every right to talk about your country in whatever way we please, and you can not deny us that.

If you don't want to see it, leave the PPR forum.


Ya know, now that you say it that way it actually it makes me feel kinda good to know that I'm a citizen of a nation that causes the citizens (or subjects) of other nations so much worry.
Thank you for showing things in this light. Now when y'all wring your hands over what we powerful and mean Americans are doing I won't get annoyed. Instead I'll be wearing a wolfish grin.
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11 Feb 2012, 1:03 am

Raptor wrote:
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How do you think the US went from 13 colonies along one coast to span across the continent? Besides that, what about US history following the Civil War? There was absolutely no difference between the US and the other "Great Powers" of the time. You guys were doing the exact same thing as us (British Empire and Dominions), the Belgians, French, Germans etc. Why else do you think your country has so many overseas possessions in the Pacific, Alaska and Puerto Rico, to name some results of your imperial time. Expansionism no longer has to mean expanding borders, since Iraq and Afghanistan are likely to be under the thumb of US interests for decades to come.


Yes I know American history.

I meant recent history with the expansionism thing. We haven’t done diddly as far as expansion but I’m sure you’ll find some way to disagree.
And we never had holdings on the scale that the British Empire did in its heyday. I can’t blame any nation for colonialism at a time when land was available, though. It’s a matter of staking claim to it or someone else will.

You can blame the leadership (or lack of it) of Iraq and Afghanistan for their situation over the past decade. Or maybe blame that whole region for not keeping their house in order.
Canada has had a hand in taming the beast over there as well.


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The US is more like Athens in practicing hegemony than an "evil" empire at this point. A rather clumsy hegemony.

We don’t have much more than ourselves to practice hegemony over.

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I wonder what you actually know about Canada. I for one hope this stays true.

Obviously I was joking about the annexation of Canada. :roll:
We have enough of our own maple syrup to get by on.

And I believe I have a higher opinion of Canada than some Canadians I can think of seem to have of the United States.

Actually, we have shrank. We gave up the Panama Canal.