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17 Mar 2012, 10:58 am

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Is marrage is going obsolite. The state is continually replacing the role of the man as a provider. Males become very agressive and competitive to attract women that do not need them to support their children. And since being a bad boy is seen as attractive to the opposite sex, then that is what unattached men aspire to. This happens very quickly in a socialist state.


Huh? I'm a lover, not a fighter, so I hardly came across as aggressive and competitive when I met my wife. On top of that, my wife thinks of that sort of individual you described as an as*hole.
By the way, socialist states such as New Zealand and the countries of northern Europe hardly produces masses of such men.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


As a resident of one of said Northern European socialist countries, he's right. It's a slow change but the "We'll just breed and let the government pay" movement is getting quite active around here. Some immigrants from a set of countries also tend to have 5 - 8 kids which with the welfare system means that they get about 1 - 1.2 times a median income in support from the state.

About your wife, when women look to get married, have kids or be in a long term relationship they tend to go for the provider/protector type and when they are just looking for sex, they prefer the bad boy.



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17 Mar 2012, 11:16 am

Of course the state will replace the Man as the provider. A child will have a thousand Mothers and a thousand fathers. Each Mother will have a thousand children that she loves as her own as nobody will be born but rather hatched.



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17 Mar 2012, 11:55 am

The Church says what I am proposing will destroy the family. But what kind of family do we have right now? What we have is the nuclear family which either swims or sinks when times get tough. If the family were expanded to include the whole of society would that not provide better security?



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17 Mar 2012, 2:05 pm

TM wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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Is marrage is going obsolite. The state is continually replacing the role of the man as a provider. Males become very agressive and competitive to attract women that do not need them to support their children. And since being a bad boy is seen as attractive to the opposite sex, then that is what unattached men aspire to. This happens very quickly in a socialist state.


Huh? I'm a lover, not a fighter, so I hardly came across as aggressive and competitive when I met my wife. On top of that, my wife thinks of that sort of individual you described as an as*hole.
By the way, socialist states such as New Zealand and the countries of northern Europe hardly produces masses of such men.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


As a resident of one of said Northern European socialist countries, he's right. It's a slow change but the "We'll just breed and let the government pay" movement is getting quite active around here. Some immigrants from a set of countries also tend to have 5 - 8 kids which with the welfare system means that they get about 1 - 1.2 times a median income in support from the state.

About your wife, when women look to get married, have kids or be in a long term relationship they tend to go for the provider/protector type and when they are just looking for sex, they prefer the bad boy.


Well, my wife certainly didn't fall into either of those stereotypes - I'm certainly not a bad boy, and at the time we got married, I was on unemployment. So, I guess she just fell in love with me.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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18 Mar 2012, 12:24 am

The first advantage that the new society creates is that it eliminates the fear of rejection at least for the chooser class This is because those in the chooser class may choose any mate without fear of rejection.



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24 Oct 2012, 8:55 pm

So any new thoughts?



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24 Oct 2012, 8:59 pm

First of all I think marriage is the best institution for our society but not for a utopian society.



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24 Oct 2012, 9:47 pm

It's statistically the largest producer of well-adjusted and healthy children.
I think that's more due to exogenous variables than strictly marriage, though.

I can see the day coming when people cease to be in romantic relationships at all.


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24 Oct 2012, 11:40 pm

It is statistically the largest producer of all kinds of children.


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25 Oct 2012, 1:32 am

Today marriage produces happy children but in the future won't children be happier if they are a part of one big family?



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25 Oct 2012, 7:40 am

I think Androbot has a great idea for a sexy dystopian novel. :D



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25 Oct 2012, 8:30 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
TM wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Aspie_Chav wrote:
Is marrage is going obsolite. The state is continually replacing the role of the man as a provider. Males become very agressive and competitive to attract women that do not need them to support their children. And since being a bad boy is seen as attractive to the opposite sex, then that is what unattached men aspire to. This happens very quickly in a socialist state.


Huh? I'm a lover, not a fighter, so I hardly came across as aggressive and competitive when I met my wife. On top of that, my wife thinks of that sort of individual you described as an as*hole.
By the way, socialist states such as New Zealand and the countries of northern Europe hardly produces masses of such men.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


As a resident of one of said Northern European socialist countries, he's right. It's a slow change but the "We'll just breed and let the government pay" movement is getting quite active around here. Some immigrants from a set of countries also tend to have 5 - 8 kids which with the welfare system means that they get about 1 - 1.2 times a median income in support from the state.

About your wife, when women look to get married, have kids or be in a long term relationship they tend to go for the provider/protector type and when they are just looking for sex, they prefer the bad boy.


Well, my wife certainly didn't fall into either of those stereotypes - I'm certainly not a bad boy, and at the time we got married, I was on unemployment. So, I guess she just fell in love with me.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


its funny how any action you take while poor automatically becomes political.


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25 Oct 2012, 11:46 am

There would be no bad boys because children would be well provided for.



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25 Oct 2012, 12:10 pm

Oodain wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
TM wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Aspie_Chav wrote:
Is marrage is going obsolite. The state is continually replacing the role of the man as a provider. Males become very agressive and competitive to attract women that do not need them to support their children. And since being a bad boy is seen as attractive to the opposite sex, then that is what unattached men aspire to. This happens very quickly in a socialist state.


Huh? I'm a lover, not a fighter, so I hardly came across as aggressive and competitive when I met my wife. On top of that, my wife thinks of that sort of individual you described as an as*hole.
By the way, socialist states such as New Zealand and the countries of northern Europe hardly produces masses of such men.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


As a resident of one of said Northern European socialist countries, he's right. It's a slow change but the "We'll just breed and let the government pay" movement is getting quite active around here. Some immigrants from a set of countries also tend to have 5 - 8 kids which with the welfare system means that they get about 1 - 1.2 times a median income in support from the state.

About your wife, when women look to get married, have kids or be in a long term relationship they tend to go for the provider/protector type and when they are just looking for sex, they prefer the bad boy.


Well, my wife certainly didn't fall into either of those stereotypes - I'm certainly not a bad boy, and at the time we got married, I was on unemployment. So, I guess she just fell in love with me.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


its funny how any action you take while poor automatically becomes political.


I never thought about it in that context regarding myself.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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25 Oct 2012, 1:48 pm

When you are poor there is no marital status. Status in this society only comes when you can provide for a wife without government assistance.



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25 Oct 2012, 1:54 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
When you are poor there is no marital status. Status in this society only comes when you can provide for a wife without government assistance.


and the over whelming majority of black whose moved out of poverty in the last 30 years has been a married one, a dual-income household allows one to share obligations/burdens, to move into the middle class, be a home owner, and participate in so many more social institutions. They vote more, they send their children to better schools, their standard of living vastly improves, their children come up in a far more stable upbringing, they travel more, etc. And it frees them a little bit from the groupthink that pervades much of black life, and this constant reinforcing of what it means to be and act black.

it is a liberator in many respects.


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