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04 Apr 2012, 9:09 pm

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In December 2010, the Michigan DNR issued an invasive species order (ISO) to make certain types of swine an invasive species, which prohibits farmers from raising them on their farms. The order became effective on Oct. 8, 2011 and affects all heritage hogs in Michigan. Even potbellied pigs, which are often raised as pets, may now be considered an invasive species in Michigan.


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The DNR’s thinking is irrational. The department says we must ban certain pigs because the state has a feral hog problem (pigs running at-large or outside a fence). But since all pigs outside of a fence are feral and the DNR cannot genetically differentiate between swine, the department decided to ban certain pigs in Michigan simply due to their appearance.


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The small farmers I have talked to wonder why the DNR is singling out their pigs and joining forces with the Michigan Pork Producers Association on this issue. They believe the association wants all pigs to be raised in confinement facilities, and the best way to achieve that is to make it illegal to raise certain swine, especially those offering alternatives to the white pork raised in confinement.

In a Nov. 2, 2010 Traverse City Record-Eagle story, Agriculture Commissioner Don Coe said the Mangalitsa pigs can be grown locally, “not in large feedlots, but humanely, on small farms, the way they used to be.”


As someone who is into cooking everything and gardening, I wonder what will be next on the government's list of things to ban. Considering that a lot of meat producers should be at least shunned, the free market should be able to provide alternatives. However, will this be an option if politicians create more laws like this?

Why does the state and certain corporations fear people who want to take care of themselves and any production or things which are not patented, priced, and taxed? The U.S. government's bureaucrats know, acheive, or solve nothing and they should keep away from individual property.



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04 Apr 2012, 9:25 pm

Definitely has some shady ulterior motive.


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05 Apr 2012, 9:52 am

Probably created a nice campaign contribution. Other is more ridiculous than you imply.



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05 Apr 2012, 10:46 am

Apparently, owning the species of pigs that could not even be properly identified results in 4 years of incarceration and these pigs will be shot by the Michigan government if found, so yes, there are ulterior motives for such intrusive thuggery.



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05 Apr 2012, 10:50 am

Someone must want more money, and these banned pigs might be interfering with their ability to make this money.....gotta shoot down anything that competes with corporate america right.


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05 Apr 2012, 12:18 pm

Fine with me- if only more species were declared "invasive" so people would stop breeding them for human use.


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05 Apr 2012, 12:21 pm

Ban them all, eat tofu!

:):):)



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05 Apr 2012, 1:32 pm

It's pretty clear cut to me. The extremely wealthy are cornering the commodities market. It's happening across the board. Monsanto is working pretty aggressively to monopolize the entire globe. It's not particularly evil, it's natural for a corporation to seek maximum profit. What has always seemed unnatural to me is how the average human being globally can neither comprehend their own interests or protect them...



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05 Apr 2012, 1:48 pm

mushroo wrote:
Ban them all, eat tofu!

:):):)


I hate tofu, I enjoy meat but I prefer if it's hunted or raised on an actual farm where it gets to roam around free, I even refused to eat the KFC food my grandma served at the last family lunch get together or whatever because as far as I'm concerned that's not meat it's a perversion of meat and I didn't feel like vomiting from thinking about that or from the gross taste and excessive grease they use, their food is probably greasier than old car parts. But that said cat's eat meat why shouldn't I?


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05 Apr 2012, 1:51 pm

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It's pretty clear cut to me. The extremely wealthy are cornering the commodities market. It's happening across the board. Monsanto is working pretty aggressively to monopolize the entire globe. It's not particularly evil, it's natural for a corporation to seek maximum profit. What has always seemed unnatural to me is how the average human being globally can neither comprehend their own interests or protect them...


Yes and when they can do that at all costs with no limitation, things get screwed up.....having a world run by corporations is no better than an having a world ruled by authoritarian governments as far as I am concerned. Oh and I went camping recently, it was fun I wish I could do that all the time living like an actual individual being and not being surrounded by sheeple is fun people should do it more often.


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05 Apr 2012, 1:54 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
mushroo wrote:
Ban them all, eat tofu!

:):):)


I hate tofu, I enjoy meat but I prefer if it's hunted or raised on an actual farm where it gets to roam around free, I even refused to eat the KFC food my grandma served at the last family lunch get together or whatever because as far as I'm concerned that's not meat it's a perversion of meat and I didn't feel like vomiting from thinking about that or from the gross taste and excessive grease they use, their food is probably greasier than old car parts. But that said cat's eat meat why shouldn't I?


I would like to try wild-hunted meat (venison etc) but I've never had the opportunity.



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05 Apr 2012, 2:33 pm

So....is it illegal to own a pot-bellied pig in Michigan, or just illegal to breed them?



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05 Apr 2012, 3:53 pm

mushroo wrote:
Ban them all, eat tofu!

:):):)


Meh not a fan.


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05 Apr 2012, 3:53 pm

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So....is it illegal to own a pot-bellied pig in Michigan, or just illegal to breed them?


rofl. :lol:
I find it interesting that you want to know.


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05 Apr 2012, 4:54 pm

Subotai wrote:
Dfinitely has some shady ulterior motive.


This is the DNRe. They have no ulterior motives. They are just that dumb. I do not think the DNR is actually smart enough to have a ulterior motive. For years they were trying to prosecute a guy who was feeding birds which they said was also feeding deer. Then while that was going on another part of the DNR or state decided to legalize feeding deer so now the guy has nothing left to worry about. things like this go on all the time and being from northern Michigan myself I live in it every day. Do not even get me started on logging policies :)



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05 Apr 2012, 5:08 pm

The jungles of Central America have peccaries which are outwardly pig-like animals unrelated to pigs.

North of that there were no pigs in america before columbus (nor cows or horses either).

So any feral pig is of an "intrusive species".

But the story implies that some pigs are intrusive, and some arent.

So how can one breed of pig be more "intrusive" than any other?

Intrusive species are a problem-witness kudzu, and snakehead fishes, and burnese pythons, but this sounds like they are scape-pigging some breeds and not others here. Pot bellied pigs dont bother anyone. But both feral domestic farm type hogs ( that tend to reevolve boar like traits) and actual boars- ( a victorian rich american playboy imported a herd of actual Russian wild boars to stock his private fenced in game preserve in the mountains of North Carolina in 1890's and then he got bored with the boars and let the fences fall and the boars to run wild and their descendants are still there terrorizing the Blue Ridge) are a real problem in rural parts of america.