China to surpass US by 2016?

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I found this rather Interesting most Americans seem scared of this but I do not mind. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxCxHM5Ax_k&feature=related[/youtube]

Fox News: China will win- *unless* we ditch Obama Care!

China is light years ahead in dirty unbreathable air.

ruveyn

And, very ironically, in funding research for renewable energy. It's very strange. You kind of have to wonder if the people building the roads and power plants even talk to the people giving out research grants.

China is a monument to Crony Communism. It is a gangster state with various empires and satraps within the state scoffing up what loot they can. China is the People's Republic of Crooks.

ruveyn

Yes, China is taking western values onboard as fast as they can.

Is there a country that isn't?

I think 2016 is a bit optimistic, or pessimistic according to your point of view. The Chinese people themselves would take a more realistic view, thinking longer term. One thing they do have going for them is the lack of hump backed camel committees, and people getting in the way. Yes, it is lack of freedom we may deplore, especially when people have their property taken for less than the value. However, Chinese developers have the building up and finished whilst people in the west would still be arguing about it, let alone digging the foundations.

Corruption is a set back for any economy. I have to ask myself, is the USA a canibal eating itself.

Of course I am English, so what would I know.

Hey, ruyeyn, how much time have you actually spent in China? How many Chinese people do you know who are willing to talk openly to you?

Wow, I'm coming to ruveyn's defence. That's a first.

I have a Chinese friend who I talk to a lot. He moved to Canada about 2 years ago. He's told me that the government is totally corrupt. What's worse, attempts to stamp out corruption have been unsuccessful because people will just accuse their political enemies of being corrupt. Essentially the process to root out corruption has become corrupt.

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Eliminating corruption in China is not easy, not even for the main government. I was reading about a Chinese police chief who had given much of his life to defeating organised crime. He has survived a murder attempt, and was finally put to one side. A deputy chief, however, was executed for helping organised criminals. Yes corruption is a big issue and very destructive to a good economy, but didn't your mother ever tell you, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

I'm not claiming that Canada is perfect. Especially not with a government in power that may have committed election fraud to get there. (Believe me, I have a lot of criticisms for the government right now, but that's a story for another time.) Corruption is a problem anywhere. It's just particularly sever in China, and without democracy there isn't the public pressure to root it out. That leaves it, at least in part, to those who are corrupt themselves.

Can you see the difficulty for the central government. Really ruveyn has already pointed it out. China is at least as big as the US geographically, but with a huge population densely concentrated in some places. Central control isn't going to happen. Quite honestly I cannot see democracy happening anytime soon. Quite apart from making what happened with Yugoslavia look like small beer, the set up is already in place for the rich to take power. The poor people may feel things are better as they are. Central government has to deal with the overall picture, so sadly some poor people lose out. They also have the past clinging on and dealing with all of this quickly is an impossibilty. But the immediate needs are more than enough, sufficient food and water for nearly a quarter of the world's population, glaciers melting so the rivers do not flow so well when needed most, and oil, an essential ingredient for an expanding economy. For some reason the USA seems to think they are justified in consuming a great percentage of the world's oil. China has put in enormous effort to move forward, but 2016, not likely.

The smog level in Chinese cities have been measured from satellites. One does not have to choke on filthy Chinese air to measure how filthy it is. Also news of corruption in China is plentiful from -Chinese- sources. China has a rapid growing economy and in some respects it is like the U.S. economy during the time of the "robber barons". The catch for China is this: the population. There are the 300,000,000 who live in large industrial cities and many are becoming comfortable if not rich. China's achilles heel is the One Billion who live in the hinterlands and have very low income. China has a large peasant population. In China most of the population is involved in growing food for all of China. In the U.S. only three percent of the population is engaged in the growing, production and distribution of food.

China has problems which the United States has never had.

It remains to be seen whether China can provide a semi-decent life for all or most of its population. Right now it is not. The Peasant Many lives on thin gruel.

In the U.S. perhaps ten percent of the population is in hard poverty and tough times. That comes to thirty million. Compare that to the One Billion in China who live in Hard Scrabble.

ruveyn

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China invented noodles over 4,000 years ago, the thought they need to "surpass" anyone is absurd.

Yes but, just speculate who will be the U.S. presidential candidates in 2016. We are not exactly awash in competent leadership.

Our leadership is so open-minded that their brains have leaked out.

The U.S. has not had decent leadership since the time of Eisenhower or perhaps Kennedy. Lyndon Johnson was the beginning of the hard fall. He was a crook and a swindler right into his bone marrow.

ruveyn