Will mankind build utopia?

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Some politicians promise a lot, up to and even including utopia. This promise historically has been made, and still is being made today, in some of the world's most brutal regimes. It is always promised in order to get the society to agree to some radical change or set of changes. Changes that, funnily enough, always happen to ensure that things will get worse before they get better. But utopia is the carrot on the stick. Will mankind ever create it?

A utopia of any kind is not likley to happen.

Humans are the smartest baddest primates on the planet. We are incorrigible.

ruveyn

Yup. We'll guzzle up all the remaining fossil fuels and then go into decline. Shortages will drive a series of economic collapses that will leave governments reeling in debt. Right wing regimes will take over to scapegoat various "undesirables" and "parasitic poor" as the cause. They will also promote denial of oil shortage and instead blame skyrocketing prices on "liberal environmentalist conspiracies". They will in turn dismantle every social safety net with crushing "austerity" measures and push for the abolition of all taxation and public services as a means to encourage "job creation". This will of course lead to riots and violent government crackdowns. Then the human race will go down like a bunch of starving dogs viciously fighting over the remaining scraps of meat. That is if the conservative position that humans are too inherently greedy and selfish to care about much beyond the propagation of their genes. At least I wont have to feel any guilt for bringing any offspring into the world so that my future generations may suffer even more.

I wouldn't believe mankind as a whole to have even a single good intention, looking at the world's current political situation.

The most we can look forward to are improvements here and there meant to help the needy, and a strong economy chugging along to provide people with a comfortable existence and fun stuff to buy; not to mention higher education available to all. But we'll never have the utopian world of Star Trek, though it's always good to keep striving.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

The most we can look forward to are improvements here and there meant to help the needy, and a strong economy chugging along to provide people with a comfortable existence and fun stuff to buy; not to mention higher education available to all. But we'll never have the utopian world of Star Trek, though it's always good to keep striving.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Last edited by Kraichgauer on 14 Apr 2012, 12:19 am, edited 2 times in total.

Capitalism will never produce a utopia.

Sorry for the double post.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

A capitalism can offer is utopia for the lucky few while the rest live in misery.

That's a pretty good summary of it.

No worries I double post some times to

Not true. A reasonable system of business and commerce can raise the standard of living for all. Even so, some people will do better than others because of individual and cultural differences. The problem in the U.S. is the large business firms and governments have formed an association or buddy-ship. We get Crony Capitalism rather than the real thing. Avoiding this kind of unfairness and corruption is very difficult to do, but it must be done sooner or later.

ruveyn

One person's Utopia would be another person's hell. I can't see any way a Utopia could be made that would keep everyone happy unless everyone was in some drugged compliant state. Someone would always want more, better or different to the person next to them, it is human nature, and from there strife will originate.

Even if Ragtime is alluding to Heaven as a God made Utopia then I see the same problems associated with that too unless everyone there gets lobotomised to be compliant and "happy".

There is no such thing as Utopia, its like heaven in that everyone has a different opinion of what it should be and what it shouldn't be, many of which are mutually exclusive.

Even if you could get capitalism to work fairly well there will always be autistic people that fall through the cracks.