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28 Apr 2013, 4:41 pm

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Rita Swan's 16-month-old son, Matthew, was dying of meningitis in the family's Michigan home in 1977. Swan never called a doctor.

Instead, as Matthew screamed in pain, Swan and her husband, then Christian Scientists, who eschew medical help, summoned church healers to pray over the boy. He was sick, they said, because the Swans lacked sufficient faith in God.

When nothing changed, maternal instinct overwhelmed piety, and Swan rushed Matthew to an emergency room.



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28 Apr 2013, 9:02 pm

I hope they at least got charged with child abuse.


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28 Apr 2013, 9:12 pm

Misslizard wrote:
I hope they at least got charged with child abuse.


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By then beyond doctors' help, Matthew died of an illness that could have been vanquished by antibiotics. "Why did we let this happen to our baby?" asked Swan...

They'll get charged with negligent homicide, most likely.

Why are these DAMNED RELIGIONISTS so EFFING STUPID?! !

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28 Apr 2013, 9:15 pm

They must take some sort of prize right there for valuing bigoted religiosity over real human life. Their own human life, that they created.



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28 Apr 2013, 9:29 pm

That poor child.



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28 Apr 2013, 10:09 pm

Tequila wrote:
They must take some sort of prize right there for valuing bigoted religiosity over real human life. Their own human life, that they created.

It's called the "Darwin Award" - they've eliminated their only offspring, and their DNA will not be passed along ...

... we can only hope.



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28 Apr 2013, 11:53 pm

(Sigh) No right is absolute. In such cases, the right to one's religion should be questioned.

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29 Apr 2013, 12:01 am

Neither of them look like the sharpest knives in the kitchen.
Had their religion not gotten in the way this time surely their combined stupidity would caused other potentially lethal situations to arise for the child.
You just can't cure stupidity.


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29 Apr 2013, 12:14 am

That happened back in 1977. Depending on the applicable statute of limitation, it may be too late for prosecution.

Also, the woman now advocates against withholding medical treatment on religious grounds, so hopefully she is changing things for the better now.


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29 Apr 2013, 12:26 am

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That happened back in 1977.

I missed that part.
Surely we can find more recent examples than something from 36 years ago.


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29 Apr 2013, 6:17 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9izVu_TtAE[/youtube] :lol:


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29 Apr 2013, 6:32 am

^ Funny ^

Raptor wrote:
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That happened back in 1977.


Surely we can find more recent examples than something from 36 years ago.


From the same site, these guys managed to do it twice......................................

A second child of doctor-shunning couple dies

http://articles.philly.com/2013-04-24/n ... t-schaible



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29 Apr 2013, 12:12 pm

What would the boy have said had he been in a position to express his wishes? When I am presented with a sixteen year old patient, the patient is involved in the decision making, even if the parents are going to make the final call. When parents and teenage child are in conflict, I may become ethically compelled to take sides.

If he was so thoroughly grounded in his faith that he would have refused medical care, would it have been ethical to treat him? People are entitled to refuse care. They are entitled to do it for thoroughly stupid reasons, and they are entitled not to be gainsayed.

His mother brought him in--too little, too late. She has to live with the consequences of that. But I, for one, won't judge whether or not she acted in good faith at the time. And if she did, then there is nothing further to be said.


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29 Apr 2013, 12:14 pm

Fnord wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
I hope they at least got charged with child abuse.


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By then beyond doctors' help, Matthew died of an illness that could have been vanquished by antibiotics. "Why did we let this happen to our baby?" asked Swan...

They'll get charged with negligent homicide, most likely.

Why are these DAMNED RELIGIONISTS so EFFING STUPID?! !

:wall:


I don't know. I'm atheist. But maybe the reason I am atheist is correlated with my intelligence.



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29 Apr 2013, 12:17 pm

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That happened back in 1977.

I missed that part.
Surely we can find more recent examples than something from 36 years ago.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 25983.html


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29 Apr 2013, 12:20 pm

thomas81 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
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That happened back in 1977.

I missed that part.
Surely we can find more recent examples than something from 36 years ago.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 25983.html


And every Jahova's Witness that died because they needed a blood transfusion and their religion said "no".