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zeppelin123
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28 Jan 2009, 5:55 pm

I identify myself as Christian universalist. I do not "buy" the traditional church thing of eternal punishment etc. I believe that everyone will be eventually returned to God, no matter what their beliefs. I also do not have a problem with evolution. I see the universe much like a complex A.I. program with some intervention.

I feel very close to God, but I do not practice organized religion or judge other people's beliefs.



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28 Jan 2009, 5:58 pm

Are you very theological? Do you support yourself with any traditional beliefs(like church fathers or Bible), or is your universalism based more upon some basic definitions you give to words?



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28 Jan 2009, 6:09 pm

It's based upon the fact that many of the early Christian schools were universalist. Only one taught of eternal punishment. There is a full article on it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universalism



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28 Jan 2009, 6:21 pm

zeppelin123 wrote:
It's based upon the fact that many of the early Christian schools were universalist. Only one taught of eternal punishment. There is a full article on it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universalism

Answers my question, there is an appeal to church history there, and one that I already knew about to some extent. Seems acceptable.



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28 Jan 2009, 8:36 pm

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Seems acceptable.

8O

This is unprecedented.

Welcome to PPR, Zeppelin. I assure you, this response of AG's is not typical in the least.


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28 Jan 2009, 8:48 pm

zeppelin123 wrote:
I identify myself as Christian universalist. I do not "buy" the traditional church thing of eternal punishment etc. I believe that everyone will be eventually returned to God, no matter what their beliefs. I also do not have a problem with evolution. I see the universe much like a complex A.I. program with some intervention.

I feel very close to God, but I do not practice organized religion or judge other people's beliefs.


Is that anything like a Unitarian?

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28 Jan 2009, 8:51 pm

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zeppelin123 wrote:
I identify myself as Christian universalist. I do not "buy" the traditional church thing of eternal punishment etc. I believe that everyone will be eventually returned to God, no matter what their beliefs. I also do not have a problem with evolution. I see the universe much like a complex A.I. program with some intervention.

I feel very close to God, but I do not practice organized religion or judge other people's beliefs.


Is that anything like a Unitarian?

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Not necessarily, the main connection between the two is that they are considered heretical by most modern Christian denominations.


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28 Jan 2009, 8:56 pm

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Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Seems acceptable.

8O

This is unprecedented.

Welcome to PPR, Zeppelin. I assure you, this response of AG's is not typical in the least.

I like to mix things up a bit.... or a lot. Besides, I guess I really did not want to get into a debate against universalism using phrases such as "destruction", "pit of fire", etc. Also, I was mostly trying to make certain that some effort had gone into the matter.



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28 Jan 2009, 8:58 pm

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Is that anything like a Unitarian?

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The connection you are drawing is likely because a lot of universalists are unitarians as seen from the Unitarian Universalist denomination.

The 2 are very different though, Unitarians deny the Christian trinity, while Universalists deny the existence of eternal damnation.



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28 Jan 2009, 8:59 pm

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Not necessarily, the main connection between the two is that they are considered heretical by most modern Christian denominations.


The reason I asked was because most of the Unitarian churches in Massachussetts are styled Unitarian-Universalist.

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28 Jan 2009, 9:06 pm

[quote="Awesomelyglorious"I like to mix things up a bit.... or a lot. Besides, I guess I really did not want to get into a debate against universalism using phrases such as "destruction", "pit of fire", etc. Also, I was mostly trying to make certain that some effort had gone into the matter.[/quote]
It's not really fun to argue against universalism anyways. I mean, "my religion is better than yours because in mine, some people burn in a fiery pit for all eternity" doesn't give most people a warm fuzzy feeling.


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28 Jan 2009, 9:16 pm

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It's not really fun to argue against universalism anyways. I mean, "my religion is better than yours because in mine, some people burn in a fiery pit for all eternity" doesn't give most people a warm fuzzy feeling.

It does seem a valid argument for God though.

CALVINIST ARGUMENT, a.k.a. TERTULLIAN'S ARGUMENT
(1) If God exists, then he will let me watch you be tortured forever.
(2) I rather like that idea.
(3) Therefore, God exists.



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28 Jan 2009, 9:24 pm

That is a rather amusing misrepresentation of Calvinism. Not sure how I should respond to it, so I think I'll just leave it alone.


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28 Jan 2009, 10:19 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
CALVINIST ARGUMENT, a.k.a. TERTULLIAN'S ARGUMENT
(1) If God exists, then he will let me watch you be tortured forever.
(2) I rather like that idea.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

The most interesting ontological argument I have ever read.


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29 Jan 2009, 2:32 am

Orwell wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Seems acceptable.

8O

This is unprecedented.

Welcome to PPR, Zeppelin. I assure you, this response of AG's is not typical in the least.


I think he is too caught up with weighty questions on the ethics of baby eating :lol:


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