Vote? Well, I TRIED...

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'Lo all.

I live in California, and I turned 18 last March. While I registered to vote last July, I never recieved a sample ballot. I tried voting anyway but my name wasn't on the list, so they wouldn't let me. My name wasn't on the supplemental list, either. And I wasn't not the only one--I don't know the exact number, but apparently a lot of people in the bay area weren't allowed to vote even though they registered. Whole thing reeks of fraud--my area is generally liberal, though CA has a republican governor, and somebody apparently found voting registration forums in the dumpster next to a post office near where I live.

This infuriates me. This, combined with a similar incident happening in Nevada in 2004 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RirHIa60t6Y), and the electronic voting machine fiasco (for a sadly true joke video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8yE3_Vw144), AND the way a million black voters in Florida didn't get their votes counted in the 2000 election (http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0621-11.htm), I don't understand how anyone can still honestly think that any modern elections in America are completely fair or completely up to the people.

I read that article. Not trying to say that I don't think there's some - or even many - problems with the electronical voting machines. But you stated that "One million black voters in Florida" didn't get their votes counted. Incorrect. According to the article, there were 179,855 ballots invalidated, 53% of which were cast by blacks. Which means that in Florida, only 95,323 people weren't allowed to vote.

Of course, you also need to note that the exact same thing mentioned in the first video, that of voter registration forms being destroyed, also happened in Massachusets. Only there it was Republican voter forms being destroyed.

One further comment. All of these, start with a example that I can't and wouldn't try to call fault on. But then they go on to say "and evidence exists that it happened elsewhere". Sorry, no. If they can do that, I can say "and there was evidence that the liberal media has been doing everything in its power to stymie the Republicans in absolutely everything".

Again, I'm just trying to throw a bit of balance in here, not to stand up for what was done. Just because Bush and the GOP are vote-stealing scumsuckers doesn't mean the Dems/Lefties aren't vote-stealing scumsuckers as well.

Did you know Ned Lamont received the same exact number of votes as Lieberman's 2000 Republican challenger received? Something about that is awfully suspicious, and the chances of it being coincidence are astronomically improbable. Google it if you don't believe me.

So I don't think voting matters.

Only.

Dude, I never said that the dems were any better...but democrats are NOT lefties. Believe me. They're not a whole lot different from republicans at all. The only lefties are independent third parties that practically nobody votes for.

And I'm sorry for my incorrect stat, but it's still a hell of a lot people.

I'll bow my hood to that. (I lack what most would refer to as a "head" being made of energy. Bein' the Crimson King ain't easy) Democrats are just Republicans with a different face. If you want to join a lefty organization join the Libertarian Party.

Interesting, I never considered the libertarians as lefties. Especially considering their views on government compared to that of most left-wingers(although they are on the left on social issues). Do you mean the Green party when you refer to a left wing party?

Funny, most "liberals" consider Libertarians to be conservatives in disguise.

Libertarians are neither liberal nor conservative. They do have some things in common with both, though.

With Conservatives they agree with gun rights and low taxes, but with Liberals they agree with almost everything else. I'd say Libertarians are more Liberal than Conservative if I had to pin them down.

It's a four direction scale. There's economic right/left, and then there's libertarian/authoritarian. People who actually admit to being authoritarians are very rare. I've only known one, and he suffered from anti-personality disorder (diagnosed and everything).

I'm in favor of small government, but the reason I won't call myself a Libertarian is because of their isolationist policies. Free trade, which is vital to our economy, is dependent on US Military Might - and victories. Another reason we need to stay in Iraq.

I am not sure if I consider libertarians more liberal than conservative. You really glossed over a lot of the issues, libertarians hate government regulations and size and therefore cannot agree with liberals on "almost everything else" for that reason as the view of the left traditionally argues for a larger state to do good. The issue of the size of government is one that dominates libertarian thought, but is something that the left has no concern over, or even takes an opposite view than the libertarian view, for example: I remember that during the recent elections the democrats, which although not leftist lean further left than the republicans, blasted the republicans as believing in "radical individualism" due to their ideas for social security reform, which was one of their smaller government positions.

Considering that libertarians have often times worked with the right, it might almost seem that the right is more in line with their views than the left, considering that Milton Friedman votes republican despite being philosophically libertarian, and that Ron Paul is a republican congressman but was a former libertarian presidential candidate. You are right that libertarians are neither liberal or conservative, however, many libertarians and libertarian groups dislike the left for various reasons and because of that I cannot view libertarians as necessarily leaning liberal, but of course I recognize that they are repulsed by social conservatives.

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True, many libertarians do actually want us to pull out of Iraq. The mises institute, a strong libertarian group, has written articles blasting the Iraq war, as has Lew Rockwell who is a noted libertarian thinker. I think though, that a more isolationist approach to foreign policy would be beneficial though as although we need to go to war at times, we need to pick our battles. We should not be the world's police force and unnecessary fighting harms the US and US taxpayers.

I tried too, but I live with my mother and my voting registration came to my aunt's house!

However, we got things all straightened out now and I can vote in another four years!