Do you think people on welfare need to give a drug test?

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03 May 2012, 6:52 pm

Do you think that if someone is getting a welfare check that they should have to take a urine sample to make sure they are not using drugs?

I think they should. Now I haven't looked into this enough to have a set stance in this, was wondering what others opinions were on this. I think marijuana should be legal, so drug test wise I do not think that should matter. But sadly I have heard that marijuana can still show up positive weeks after you smoked it. A relative of mine has the strong opinion that "those people" should, and recently sent me an email on it.


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03 May 2012, 6:53 pm

They'd be taking the piss.



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03 May 2012, 7:01 pm

Why do you think they should?

Drugs are bad, but it boils down to freedom to choose - a person not on welfare can choose to use drugs, but you're saying a person on welfare shouldn't be allowed that freedom - it's not about drugs, it's about something bigger. Being on welfare turns a lot of people to drugs or a lot of people on welfare may in part be in that situation due to drug addiction, so I don't see any benefit in taking even more away from what more often than not are victims of social deprivation. Then there's the cost of regular urine testing - money could be better spent.


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03 May 2012, 7:04 pm

Delphiki wrote:
Do you think that if someone is getting a welfare check that they should have to take a urine sample to make sure they are not using drugs?

I think they should. Now I haven't looked into this enough to have a set stance in this, was wondering what others opinions were on this. I think marijuana should be legal, so drug test wise I do not think that should matter. But sadly I have heard that marijuana can still show up positive weeks after you smoked it. A relative of mine has the strong opinion that "those people" should, and recently sent me an email on it.
No, and it's already been shown by the testing in Florida that they're less likely to be users than the rest of the population. It's wrong to require a test just because someone is needy. Besides, it's humiliating enough for someone to have to seek relief, let alone to be as good as accused of being a criminal as well. Let's kick them while they're down, eh? It's legalized BULLYING.



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03 May 2012, 7:10 pm

No but that's because I don't think drugs should be against the law in the first place. However, I think it's with in the governments power to put preconditions on their support and not an invasion of privacy. This is why you shouldn't want to be dependent on the government, your personal conduct becomes their business.



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03 May 2012, 7:14 pm

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Delphiki wrote:
Do you think that if someone is getting a welfare check that they should have to take a urine sample to make sure they are not using drugs?

I think they should. Now I haven't looked into this enough to have a set stance in this, was wondering what others opinions were on this. I think marijuana should be legal, so drug test wise I do not think that should matter. But sadly I have heard that marijuana can still show up positive weeks after you smoked it. A relative of mine has the strong opinion that "those people" should, and recently sent me an email on it.
No, and it's already been shown by the testing in Florida that they're less likely to be users than the rest of the population. It's wrong to require a test just because someone is needy. Besides, it's humiliating enough for someone to have to seek relief, let alone to be as good as accused of being a criminal as well. Let's kick them while they're down, eh? It's legalized BULLYING.


That is interesting that testing in Florida has shown it is less likely. I will look up something about that and send it as a reply to my relative. I am not too surprised by all of the No's, I try to be open minded about things.


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03 May 2012, 7:22 pm

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No but that's because I don't think drugs should be against the law in the first place. However, I think it's with in the governments power to put preconditions on their support and not an invasion of privacy. This is why you shouldn't want to be dependent on the government, your personal conduct becomes their business.


This is also why people should be wary of large public health programs, as it becomes all too easy to argue that private decisions are now of public interest because of the cost to the system. We've certainly seen this with tobacco, and now we're getting rumblings with soda pop, fast food and salt among other things.


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03 May 2012, 7:26 pm

You might as well ask "should unemployed drug users starve to death because we can't find it in ourselves to help them"?

Edited to add: I think this comes very close to a eugenics program. "Consume a substance that we don't approve of and we deem you unworthy of financial assistance, and ultimately unworthy to live".



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03 May 2012, 7:30 pm

Delphiki wrote:
SpiritBlooms wrote:
Delphiki wrote:
Do you think that if someone is getting a welfare check that they should have to take a urine sample to make sure they are not using drugs?

I think they should. Now I haven't looked into this enough to have a set stance in this, was wondering what others opinions were on this. I think marijuana should be legal, so drug test wise I do not think that should matter. But sadly I have heard that marijuana can still show up positive weeks after you smoked it. A relative of mine has the strong opinion that "those people" should, and recently sent me an email on it.
No, and it's already been shown by the testing in Florida that they're less likely to be users than the rest of the population. It's wrong to require a test just because someone is needy. Besides, it's humiliating enough for someone to have to seek relief, let alone to be as good as accused of being a criminal as well. Let's kick them while they're down, eh? It's legalized BULLYING.


That is interesting that testing in Florida has shown it is less likely. I will look up something about that and send it as a reply to my relative. I am not too surprised by all of the No's, I try to be open minded about things.


A Google search for the keywords:

Florida welfare drug test

Brought up several articles about the Florida results. Hope that helps. :)



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03 May 2012, 7:34 pm

Dox47 wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
No but that's because I don't think drugs should be against the law in the first place. However, I think it's with in the governments power to put preconditions on their support and not an invasion of privacy. This is why you shouldn't want to be dependent on the government, your personal conduct becomes their business.


This is also why people should be wary of large public health programs, as it becomes all too easy to argue that private decisions are now of public interest because of the cost to the system. We've certainly seen this with tobacco, and now we're getting rumblings with soda pop, fast food and salt among other things.


that arguument never worked in denmark on its own premise, despite full medical access for everyone.


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03 May 2012, 9:13 pm

Yes they should be subjected to a drug test if the welfare they are receiving is in any form of cash.

Its tax payer money and it should not be given to those that break the law. Drugs is breaking the law (big time)


There is no 'privacy' right when you are receiving tax payer money to HELP you. If that tax payer money is being misused for criminal activity (drugs) then you should not be receiving that help any longer. Simple as that in my book.


Florida did a great experiment in this. Perhaps the ONLY decent thing the bozo we have as governor ever did.



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03 May 2012, 9:31 pm

I don't think they should, just because it is a massive invasion of privacy and their only "crime" is being poor and requiring assistance. Currently the only people who are required to be drug tested are people who have committed crimes and are on probation, and of course people who have to be tested because they hold some kind of public safety position [which is something they agree to as a condition of their job.]

To me it smacks of criminalizing poverty, which has been the overall trend these last several years and is a big reason why the country is in the mess it's in.



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03 May 2012, 9:41 pm

No I think it would kind of be a waste of resources....not to mention drug tests aren't always even accurate. Not to mention If they do they also might want to require tests making sure they aren't eating junk food or doing anything else potentially unhealthy either. Not to mention drug testing is an invasion of privacy as far as I am concerned.


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03 May 2012, 9:42 pm

SpiritBlooms wrote:
Delphiki wrote:
Do you think that if someone is getting a welfare check that they should have to take a urine sample to make sure they are not using drugs?

I think they should. Now I haven't looked into this enough to have a set stance in this, was wondering what others opinions were on this. I think marijuana should be legal, so drug test wise I do not think that should matter. But sadly I have heard that marijuana can still show up positive weeks after you smoked it. A relative of mine has the strong opinion that "those people" should, and recently sent me an email on it.
No, and it's already been shown by the testing in Florida that they're less likely to be users than the rest of the population. It's wrong to require a test just because someone is needy. Besides, it's humiliating enough for someone to have to seek relief, let alone to be as good as accused of being a criminal as well. Let's kick them while they're down, eh? It's legalized BULLYING.


I have to agree.


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03 May 2012, 10:02 pm

I'd say yes but limited and two prong for different situations:

people on short term welfare and unemployment - they need to pass a drug test to get a job; it makes sense. If they land a job at Progressive - great, drug test them until they're on the team at Progressive and say 'Adios and happy 4:20!".

Long term disability in the real sense (SSI, Medicare, etc.) - only drug test them if the case worker sees things that are worrying and additionally have that case worker submit a request so that there is formal documentation of such requests both to prevent simple harassment if personalities don't mesh or, alternately, to cover the case worker and agency if serious problems do arise - in order to prove that adequate steps were taken to remedy the situation from their side. Obviously certain common sense metrics would be needed for inquiries, and if those metrics were met it would be a warning/steps-toward-firing response if someone along the approval process simply sits on the request for their own reasons.


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03 May 2012, 10:10 pm

I'm neutral. Then again, I also think welfare shouldn't be doled out as cash.


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