us revolution 2012.

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everyone knows the government is broken. im not talking about democrats suck or republicans suck just the government as a whole. i dont understand how politicians can keep their job when they dont do a damn thing. not to mention all the corruption and puppets we have running everything. we can protest about it but they'll just arrest us and nothing will change. i feel like the only way this country will get better is to get a lot worse. whats history tells me is that thats how things get done, unfortunately. i wouldnt mind seeing the us at war with itself. i doubt itll happen though cause people are too lazy to get off facebook and just dont care.
im not tryin to be all "terroristy" or anything i just wanna talk about it.

what do u guys think?

if you never see me on this site again im prob at guantanamo lol

Jefferson said a revolution once in a while was not bad, in fact, it may be necessary.

He said it in the context that people are ignorant and will inevitably get stupid ideas. That their ignorance would lead to conflict and after they get their a**ses kicked by the government we can try to educate them again. It wasnt really a pro-rebel statement. He felt the benefits were that they would at least not be both lazy and stupid and that their ignorant efforts would serve to put politicians on notice.

In Britain it is the same. And I think some kind of revolution is coming but I don't know what form it will take or what the outcome required is. But most in the UK are passive. They know things are s**t but will not do anything.

And our current excuse for a government is pushing through so many unpopular policies it is as though they are trying to make every single group angry. They are going to apply cuts to the police force and army. They are squeezing the poorest in society while showering the rich with money!

We need a government to promote long term investment to make the UK have a more stable economy and even out the gap between rich and poor.

What kind of changes would you want in the US?

"The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty."

I think he was a bit mad, personally. These were revolutionaries, much as they are worshipped as demigods they were probably just wild-eyed, verbose radicals (and not a few criminals among them) like revolutionaries anywhere.

Having the ignorant and misinformed rise up and start burning things because they don't know any better has nothing to do with liberty that I can see.

A revolution means 5 years of terror, 10-20 years of semi-decent government in a new shape, and after that, status quo ante, a similar corrupt oligarchy in power -- not with the same people and groups on top, but changing the names doesn't make it any better.

Who can say who is right and who is wrong? In general, those against the system are as wrong as those who support it.

What about a peaceful revolution?

What worries me about a revolution is how much entitlement mentality there is in our country. Even a former Supreme Court Justice said America's constitution was inferior to others like South Africa because it didn't include things like a right to a job, a right to housing, etc.

If we revolt, what happens when these entitlements start getting written into the new constitution.

What is wrong with land being an entitlement?

Because it's not a right, it's something you earn through hard work.

There should be a reconstitution of the government in every generation. About ever 30 years or so. That way every living person in the country can have a part in forming his/her government. Even if it is an indirect part such as voting for delegates to a constitutional convention.

ruveyn

Building a house on free land is hard work.

Taking a pee in a Free Land is hard work. Why? FIrst you have to find a Free Land.

ruveyn

The only land that might be considered "free" is far beneath the ocean's surface where we can't get easily. Hence it is free

To have a peaceful revolution requires a lot of unity, most people have to be united in it. People are more divided than ever by their ideologies. A peaceful revolution also requires that the oppressors have a conscience. When people (including American citizens) are executed by drone strikes with no due process and simply dismissed as militants by an administration that feels no need or public pressure to provide any meaningful justification I think the conscience is in question. Anybody causing a ruckus can be simply taken and locked up indefinitely with zero due process today by the unchecked authority of only one branch of the government. People can say these policies started with Bush all they want but Obama took them and expanded on them after he campaigned against them. He extended the Patriot Act, he kept the Guantanamo Bay detention facility operating and he presumes to have the authority to kill anyone via unmanned drones with no oversight.

America is basically run by two parties who both are only concerned with keeping themselves in power. They'll say what they want their supporters to hear but won't fundamentally do anything much differently from each other.

Here is what Thomas Jefferson had to say about it:


Yet where does this anarchy exist? Where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusetts [NB: Shay's Rebellion] ? And can history produce an instance of rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it's motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independent 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it's natural manure.



Yup!

ruveyn