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Keep in mind that if Obama wins in November he'll be in his LAST term. Since he cannot run again his incentive to do anything constructive (as opposed to destructive) to use as a springboard for re-election is GONE. Without another term as a goal to shoot for it's not like we can count on his character and moral bearing to carry the day...... 
30 Jun 2012, 10:50 am
30 Jun 2012, 11:14 am
Raptor wrote:
Keep in mind that if Obama wins in November he'll be in his LAST term. Since he cannot run again his incentive to do anything constructive (as opposed to destructive) to use as a springboard for re-election is GONE. Without another term as a goal to shoot for it's not like we can count on his character and moral bearing to carry the day......
Don't you think this reasoning is a little backwards (with regards to any president, actually)? Being up for election pressures an incumbent to compromise their principals in order to secure votes; not having that pressure frees them of that need. Additionally, a second-term president has their legacy to worry about, and as some of the world's most famous men they're keenly aware that the eyes of history are upon them. I'd say the pressure is pretty high for President Obama to leave behind something he can be proud of - just as pressure was high on the Bushes, on President Clinton, etc.
30 Jun 2012, 11:25 am
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Keep in mind that if Obama wins in November he'll be in his LAST term. Since he cannot run again his incentive to do anything constructive (as opposed to destructive) to use as a springboard for re-election is GONE. Without another term as a goal to shoot for it's not like we can count on his character and moral bearing to carry the day......
Don't you think this reasoning is a little backwards (with regards to any president, actually)? Being up for election pressures an incumbent to compromise their principals in order to secure votes; not having that pressure frees them of that need. Additionally, a second-term president has their legacy to worry about, and as some of the world's most famous men they're keenly aware that the eyes of history are upon them. I'd say the pressure is pretty high for President Obama to leave behind something he can be proud of - just as pressure was high on the Bushes, on President Clinton, etc.
Depends on how you look at it and who we're looking at.....
30 Jun 2012, 11:51 am
Raptor wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Keep in mind that if Obama wins in November he'll be in his LAST term. Since he cannot run again his incentive to do anything constructive (as opposed to destructive) to use as a springboard for re-election is GONE. Without another term as a goal to shoot for it's not like we can count on his character and moral bearing to carry the day......
Don't you think this reasoning is a little backwards (with regards to any president, actually)? Being up for election pressures an incumbent to compromise their principals in order to secure votes; not having that pressure frees them of that need. Additionally, a second-term president has their legacy to worry about, and as some of the world's most famous men they're keenly aware that the eyes of history are upon them. I'd say the pressure is pretty high for President Obama to leave behind something he can be proud of - just as pressure was high on the Bushes, on President Clinton, etc.
Depends on how you look at it and who we're looking at.....
No, it really doesn't. Any second-term president is pretty much in the exact same boat, with only four years to leave a mark on history other than, "Meh, he was kinda okay." If you want to accuse President Obama of being morally bankrupt, then just go out and say it - you wouldn't be the first - but the reasoning you just gave for it is fairly bogus no matter WHICH president (past or future) one is talking about.
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30 Jun 2012, 12:09 pm
Raptor wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Keep in mind that if Obama wins in November he'll be in his LAST term. Since he cannot run again his incentive to do anything constructive (as opposed to destructive) to use as a springboard for re-election is GONE. Without another term as a goal to shoot for it's not like we can count on his character and moral bearing to carry the day......
Don't you think this reasoning is a little backwards (with regards to any president, actually)? Being up for election pressures an incumbent to compromise their principals in order to secure votes; not having that pressure frees them of that need. Additionally, a second-term president has their legacy to worry about, and as some of the world's most famous men they're keenly aware that the eyes of history are upon them. I'd say the pressure is pretty high for President Obama to leave behind something he can be proud of - just as pressure was high on the Bushes, on President Clinton, etc.
Depends on how you look at it and who we're looking at.....
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