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27 Jun 2012, 4:56 pm

That's what whatever I have that I haven't been diagnosed with feels like to me, based on what I've gathered from all the religious TV shows I have to caption. I can't remember the particular passages that made me think of this, but one of them was that God created all women to be mothers, either actually or spiritually. I do not seem to have this nurturing, receptive character that they were talking about. Another passage said that we were created through an act of love and that our soul gives us the capacity to love and be loved. I seem to be lacking that capacity. It's like there's a piece missing.



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27 Jun 2012, 4:58 pm

It is not only possible, it is a probable fact of life- for all living beings


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27 Jun 2012, 4:59 pm

Either we all have souls or none of us do, depending on what one believes.



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27 Jun 2012, 5:05 pm

Either all living beings have a soul or none do.


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27 Jun 2012, 5:08 pm

Neuroscience indicates we don't have souls, or if we do they have nothing to do with the functioning of our brains, our minds, how we think or our personalities. The body of evidence is huge. The most interesting examples come from people who have had their corpus collosum completely severed i.e. splitting the connective nerves between each half of the brain, they end up behaving and thinking like two different individuals each with different cognitive abilities, different memories and different personalities. What happened here did their "soul" get cut into half resulting in two people? :wink:

Using Occam's razor (or a scalpel! :P ) souls are just philosophical / religious inventions with no basis in reality.

Souls are rather like the God concept - totally redundant.


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27 Jun 2012, 5:20 pm

I believe in having a soul atheists don't their for atheists don't have souls but theists do.



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27 Jun 2012, 5:57 pm

If you believe that soul exists, then you must also believe that you have one. Every teaching that tells us that souls exist also teaches us that every human being is born with one. If you accept their existence, their universality comes along with the package.

As soon as you doubt the universality, you must acknowledge a corresponding doubt as to their existence.


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27 Jun 2012, 6:06 pm

Mindsigh wrote:
one of them was that God created all women to be mothers, either actually or spiritually. I do not seem to have this nurturing, receptive character that they were talking about.

This is one of those rare moments I glad to be male -- I don't have to put with expectations of being nurturing and all that. But, ultimately, all of that is just some guy's opinion of how women should be.

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Another passage said that we were created through an act of love and that our soul gives us the capacity to love and be loved.

IMO, that's just some overwrought romanticism. All we truly know in life is that we are here and that we are alive.

I don't know if this will make sense to you, but the above reminds me of straight people waxing poetic about being complementary to their partner and how that is definition of love and similar sentiments. If that's true for them, great. But it only feels like a Truth of the Universe to them because it's the only thing they know and because they are high (on endorphins). I take such statements about as seriously as I take things said by people who are drunk.

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I seem to be lacking that capacity. It's like there's a piece missing.


Do you care about you pets? Also, I recall some women here stating that they didn't "get" babies until they had their own children, and then all that stuff mostly came naturally.

For me, people make it difficult to show that you care in ways that they understand. (Which is why I prefer non-humans.)



27 Jun 2012, 6:39 pm

Vigilans wrote:
It is not only possible, it is a probable fact of life- for most living beings



True. Sentience is by far the strongest indicator of the presence of a soul. And sentience is a feature shared by most vertebrates and all mammals.

So for a human to be born without a soul, they'd have to be born without a brain.



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27 Jun 2012, 6:43 pm

AspieRogue wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
It is not only possible, it is a probable fact of life- for most living beings



True. Sentience is by far the strongest indicator of the presence of a soul. And sentience is a feature shared by most vertebrates and all mammals.

So for a human to be born without a soul, they'd have to be born without a brain.


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27 Jun 2012, 7:03 pm

What is a soul?

A spark of the divine? What makes us unique?

Religiously speaking everyone has a sole.

Scientifically speaking, the brain is very possibly a highly advanced quantum computer. Information, once created, cannot be destroyed, as witnessed in the black hole information paradox.

Perhaps that information is our soul, and if there is no god, it is released back into the quantum foam.



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27 Jun 2012, 7:48 pm

AspieRogue wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
It is not only possible, it is a probable fact of life- for most living beings



True. Sentience is by far the strongest indicator of the presence of a soul. And sentience is a feature shared by most vertebrates and all mammals.

So for a human to be born without a soul, they'd have to be born without a brain.


I think the strongest indicator that sentience is the result of physical catalysts within the brain and not a magical spirit force are the aftereffects of severe brain trauma on personality, among other things


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28 Jun 2012, 10:00 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
Either all living beings have a soul or none do.


Well that applies to humans, but I don't think it's widely believed that bacteria, fungi, algae or viruses have souls.



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28 Jun 2012, 11:04 am

This reminds me of a quote from Lisa in an episode of The Simpsons:

"Some philosophers believe that nobody is born with a soul, but that you have to earn one through thought and prayer"

I think there's some truth to that.



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28 Jun 2012, 11:12 am

I don't know if I have a soul, but I've got two soles! :D


Seriously, all that "women must be mothery" stuff is a load of cr@p.
I have two kids, and I love them and take care of them. Still, I am in no way some happy peaceful instictive Earth-mother with little birds flying around my head. Nobody is, though a lot of women knock themselves out trying to appear so.



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28 Jun 2012, 1:50 pm

From my understanding, you can't be born without a soul, but you can be born without a spirit. The soul is the light of reality or consciousness in its purest form that everyone and everything shares. Spirit, on the other hand is the nature or personality of a specific thing or person. If someone's suffered a traumatic brain injury or in a vegetative state to where they aren't their selves anymore, it can be said that they've effectively lost their spirit.