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11 Oct 2012, 4:09 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... DiathA-_Es

The video is 42 minutes longs. Scary stuff. 8O

I wonder what laws we are actually breaking with normal things we do? Right now we are having our roof being replaced and we have all this pounding going on, I wonder if any cops will show up telling us we are breaking the law and we have to halt it because we are disturbing he peace, noise pollution. :lol:


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11 Oct 2012, 4:33 pm

No matter what you do, there is likely some law against it.

There is also another law that permits it, provided you fill out and file the correct form, and a fee.

The criminal laws are on the books to protect us, but the civil laws seem to be there to make money for the courts, the lawyers, and the local governments.

Solutions: Get elected and change the laws; remain an ordinary citizen and ignore the laws; or become a police officer and enforce the laws.


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11 Oct 2012, 4:54 pm

Fnord wrote:
No matter what you do, there is likely some law against it.

There is also another law that permits it, provided you fill out and file the correct form, and a fee.

The criminal laws are on the books to protect us, but the civil laws seem to be there to make money for the courts, the lawyers, and the local governments.

Solutions: Get elected and change the laws; remain an ordinary citizen and ignore the laws; or become a police officer and enforce the laws.


Getting elected doesn't automatically mean that you can change the laws just like that. Laws are only effective if somebody is there to enforce them, thus, an ordinary citizen can ignore some (but not the most severe) laws if he wants to.



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12 Oct 2012, 11:02 pm

As ridiculous as our noise pollution laws may be...

...I DO wish that they were actually enforced. :wall:



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13 Oct 2012, 2:02 am

League_Girl wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2DiathA-_Es

The video is 42 minutes longs. Scary stuff. 8O

I wonder what laws we are actually breaking with normal things we do? Right now we are having our roof being replaced and we have all this pounding going on, I wonder if any cops will show up telling us we are breaking the law and we have to halt it because we are disturbing he peace, noise pollution. :lol:


The question is not which laws you are breaking, that's irrelevant. It's which laws will be enforced in your case. I speed all day long when I am at work. However, I don't get ticketed. Why? Because the cops typically allow pizza delivery people a little more leeway. Is it legal? No, but it really doesn't matter. However, what DOES matter is HOW THEY figure out you broke the law. If they start actually closing the gaps in enforcement then there is much to fear because of the ridiculous amount of laws on the books. After all, legislators have to justify their existence somehow, so they make things illegal, even if there are already 20 laws on the books making it illegal. Take away our privacy, and everyone becomes a slave to the state because it is impossible to live an ordinary life without violating something.


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13 Oct 2012, 10:50 am

There are no free countries. Some countries are less oppressive and restrictive than others. In the U.S we have a legally protected right to express ourselves short of fomenting a riot, lynching or insurrection. On other countries, expressing one's self can land that one in jail or even get him beaten up or killed.

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13 Oct 2012, 10:55 am

outofplace wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2DiathA-_Es

The video is 42 minutes longs. Scary stuff. 8O

I wonder what laws we are actually breaking with normal things we do? Right now we are having our roof being replaced and we have all this pounding going on, I wonder if any cops will show up telling us we are breaking the law and we have to halt it because we are disturbing he peace, noise pollution. :lol:


The question is not which laws you are breaking, that's irrelevant. It's which laws will be enforced in your case. I speed all day long when I am at work. However, I don't get ticketed. Why? Because the cops typically allow pizza delivery people a little more leeway. Is it legal? No, but it really doesn't matter. However, what DOES matter is HOW THEY figure out you broke the law. If they start actually closing the gaps in enforcement then there is much to fear because of the ridiculous amount of laws on the books. After all, legislators have to justify their existence somehow, so they make things illegal, even if there are already 20 laws on the books making it illegal. Take away our privacy, and everyone becomes a slave to the state because it is impossible to live an ordinary life without violating something.
Yeah, there has to be some sort of room for personal discretion if we don't want to be bogged down by bureacratic BS.



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13 Oct 2012, 10:57 am

Tensu wrote:
As ridiculous as our noise pollution laws may be...

...I DO wish that they were actually enforced. :wall:


As long as pollution benefits those in the power elite, they will never be adequately enforced.

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