For Christians - Is the world going to hell?

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There is an excess of averice, and it has got us into this economic mess that is causing misery.

There is a lot of gluttony because westerners are always over eating. The west consumes most of the world, and a lot of it is wasted.

There is a lot of pride and people think is a virtue!

There is a lot of anger brewing which is stoked by fear and the grim recognition that our greed is our undoing. Everyone blames each other.

There is a lot of lust - young people are conditioned with lust in pop videos, and the media sells everything via lust

There is a lot of envy - our economic system promotes envious people who are always trying to do better than the next man

There is a lot of sloth - everything has been made so easy for us that we need do next to nothing to survive. Even the rich are lazy because they make more and more money by doing less and less. The hard working are never rewarded.

How does it feel for Christians to see a world like this? Or do you see it this way at all?

It is a sad condition that repeats over and over through history. Look at the complete moral decay of Rome before it fell.
Every culture in the past seems to have a grave moral decay before it's demise.
Our culture has gone down hill but I also see hope in how things improved.
For example the 60's-70's made smoking,drugs and alcohol seem cool but that declined in the late 80's when music started being anti-drug and this generation seems to think that stuff is no longer cool at all.
I see hope!

Have you ever met a western anorexic? You should get out more.

ruveyn

I'm going to address one point at a time. There's a lot here.

1st Point: The Bible warned us of this as a warning sign of the end times. In fact, Jesus, the prophet Daniel, and the Apostle John in Revelation all spoke of this. See Daniel 9, 11, 12, Matthew 24:4-31, Revelation 13.

2nd Point: China is now the world's biggest consumer, and will be one of the forces at Armegeddon - Greek for Har Megido - Hebrew for the Valley of Megido in Israel - the perfect place for a battlefield.

3d Point: Are you surprised? Pride was the first sin ever committed, and it was committed by Satan. See Is. 14:12-17.

4th, 5th, and 6th Point: True. But it was also prophesied. Am I surprised? Not in the slightest. I am concerned though, that it's spread is more rampant than I could have originally foreseen.

How do I feel about it as a Christian? Answer: Both sad and glad. I shall explain. Sad because it means that there are a lot of people out there who will eventually get the "short end of the stick". Glad because the end times are approaching. I love my wife. I love my work. But my beloved soulmate and I both long to be with our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. And we want this struggle with Satan to end - once and for all.

You see, mankind was intended as a replacement for Satan. When Satan rebelled, he was originally known as Lucifer and was the archangel. Lucifer than became Satan (Hebrew for "Accuser") and was cast from heaven - though now even though he is not allowed to remain - he can approach God the Father from time to time. One of Satan's original dominions was that "Garden of God" known as Earth. Satan's septer was taken from him and given to man. When Adam and Eve sinned against God, they were the total population of all humanity - this all of mankind sinned. Man gave satan his septer. This is why we have all inherited a "sin nature". We are all born spiritually dead (Ephesians 2:1). We are all slaves to sin. We all sin daily. (Romans 3:23). And as a result, it is appointed that man shall live once and then face eternal judgement (Hebrews 9:27). Now, on the other side of the canyon, if you will, we have God, who, through his son, Jesus Christ, promises eternal life, no judgment, and to pass through death and into life (John 5:24). But how is that done? Some say good works. This is not the case, for all works fall short of the glory of God (Ephesians 2:8-9). So how then are we saved? We are saved because Jesus the Christ, who never sinned, died in our place (as well all deserve to die and be sent to hell (or sheol, if you will), and was our perfect substitute - our propitiation. Thus, as stated in 1 Corinthians 15:3-5, Christ was put to death at the hands of gentiles as prophesied in the Old Testament, was buried, arose again, as fortold in the Old Testament, and appeared before all of the Apostles. You are saved by grace through faith and not of works of which we all may boast. (Ehpesians 2:8-9).

I am a military reserve officer and a law student. I've also been a tax accountant. I was raised an athiest and wasn't saved until I was 30. I went to seminary for year before 9/11 occured, and I discovered that I just don't have the personality to be a pastor. But my faith is still strong. It has not weakend. It will never weaken - thanks be to God.

But what you see will be many times worse as time goes on. Will Earth become hell? No. Not nearly as bad as what hell may offer. Jesus vivdly described hell to the apostles and it is recorded in the Bible. But even hell will become much worse when that whole place is cast into the Lake of Fire. Imagine searing eternally in white - hot flames - with no rest - ever.

Satan is still loose. See Job 1: 6-7, as well as Jude, Verse 9, when Satan argued over the dead body of Moses. Satan was judged at the cross, and his sentence has yet to be carried out. That too will happen. But I contend that had we ever seen the Lake of Fire for ourselves, we'd probably ask God to go easy on him.

The next prophesy you want to watch out for is the Russian-led invasion is Israel. (Ezekiel 38-39).

I don't want to appear as if I'm pushing my faith on anyone. But if you have any interest in having an actual relationship with God, and knowing more about how you too can be saved, by all means PM me, and I will answer.

Longshanks

Well according to the Westboro Baptist church everyone is going to hell except them because apparently god hates us. i guess if hell exists i will be taking the waterslide strait down at 300mph weeee.

HELL YEAH!

Brilliant satire, Sir! Thou art in fine form tonight.

You read those passeges - you'll find out this is far from satire!

Longshanks

I'm pretty sure the Catholics are going to hell for ruining the educational system

(Its a joke catholic aspies, take a walk and kick a can before you reply to me in a fit of rage)

But in all seriousness, John Mayhew, A MINISTER during the revolutionary war once said "no taxation without representation". I hold the same policy towards god. Stop threatening about the monster under our beds and ground us like a responsible parent. Or better yet, take away free will. I think we've probably done enough to loose that privellage by now.

I guess in a way the world is already in hell.

How have Catholics ruined the education system? Especially in the USofA where they are a minority and have little to no influence on mainstream non-parochial education.

Well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,overall I'd prefer "an excess of averice" than being burned alive by peace loving Christians as a witch.

yes, the world is going to hell.


the short version is i expect 90-99% of the planet to accept the mark of the beast, and they will burn in hell for that.

most 501c3 churches will tell their congregations it is ok to take the chip as long as the "don't worship the beast"

I don't think it's our business to declare where people are going. Naturally we all wonder when someone dies, but it's absurd to claim we know like it's the gospel truth, because our opinion on final judgment means precisely crap!

But that's WBC, and it's firmly established that they're just a cult of litigious attention-seekers who sue anyone who doesn't brown-nose them. Yes, they have the right to protest, but not the right to call themselves Christians.

I'm a Lutheran, so I'm an amillennialist - that is, we don't have doctrines based on Revelations (a book which both Luther and Calvin doubted was divinely inspired), and thus, no Apocalypse, or rapture. The thousand year reign of Christ, we believe, is the indeterminate period between Christs resurrection and ascension, and his return - or in other words, the here and now. We believe Christ's Kingdom is the church - not any specific denomination, but the invisible church, which is all true believers united in the spirit of Christ. We tend to interpret what evangelicals take so literally as end time prophecy as things that have largely already occurred. So from a Lutheran - or otherwise Mainline Protestant - perspective, our advice would be not to hold your breath concerning all that end time stuff.
And in closing, my Pastor had mentioned how his mother used to always complain how things were worst than ever, and how kids behaved so badly. Finally, he asked his dad if what his mother was saying was at all true, his father conceded: no, people always acted badly, but may have just been less open about it back in the good old days.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer