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28 Jul 2012, 9:49 pm

Aren't they similar in terms of intelligence?



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28 Jul 2012, 9:54 pm

No, my friend. Think beyond the role pattern here. My dog can do more than some mentally-disabled humans and infants, but some mentally-disabled humans can do much more than dogs and infants and some infants do a lot better than mentally-disabled humans. It all depends on the animal, infant or mentally-disabled human you're comparing.



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28 Jul 2012, 10:02 pm

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No, my friend. Think beyond the role pattern here. My dog can do more than some mentally-disabled humans and infants, but some mentally-disabled humans can do much more than dogs and infants and some infants do a lot better than mentally-disabled humans. It all depends on the animal, infant or mentally-disabled human you're comparing.


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28 Jul 2012, 10:06 pm

No but with some barbecue sauce and spices they are similar in terms of flavor


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28 Jul 2012, 10:11 pm

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No but with some barbecue sauce and spices they are similar in terms of flavor


you need to inlude cheese in that set then, cheese is a kind of meat.


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28 Jul 2012, 10:13 pm

Vigilans wrote:
No but with some barbecue sauce and spices they are similar in terms of flavor


Source - Rotten Green Tomatoes :D



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29 Jul 2012, 6:36 am

Jitro wrote:
Aren't they similar in terms of intelligence?


Most infants are very smart. It takes a while to see just how smart they are. Within a year or so they go from 0 languages to 1. They go from non-abstract thinking to abstract thinking in a matter of months.

Most mammalian young are born further developed than human infants, but human infants very rapidly outpace and outrun other mammalian biota in a mental sense within a year. Their co-ordination and physical skills take a bit longer.

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29 Jul 2012, 10:13 am

Speciesism needs to go. We can't keep treating animals badly just because they are not human.



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29 Jul 2012, 10:15 am

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Speciesism needs to go. We can't keep treating animals badly just because they are not human.


We don't have to treat animals badly if they are not harming us. But it is foolish to treat animals as though they are equal to humans. Humans are the smartest mammals on the planet, at this juncture.

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29 Jul 2012, 10:17 am

Not ALL humans are smart though. Not all humans are aware of their surroundings to the same degree as some chimps or dolphins.

I don't see why a new born baby gets more rights than a pig.



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29 Jul 2012, 10:18 am

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Not ALL humans are smart though. Not all humans are aware of their surroundings to the same degree as some chimps or dolphins.

I don't see why a new born baby gets more rights than a pig.


An unborn baby has more rights than the newborn baby and the pig :lol:


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29 Jul 2012, 10:19 am

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Not ALL humans are smart though. Not all humans are aware of their surroundings to the same degree as some chimps or dolphins.

I don't see why a new born baby gets more rights than a pig.


Rights is a concept made up by humans and an attribute assigned by humans.

Rights are not natural objects or states. They are the product of convention

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29 Jul 2012, 10:20 am

ruveyn wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
Not ALL humans are smart though. Not all humans are aware of their surroundings to the same degree as some chimps or dolphins.

I don't see why a new born baby gets more rights than a pig.


Rights is a concept made up by humans and an attribute assigned by humans.

Rights are not natural objects or states. They are the product of convention

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Well then, let's assign rights based on things like awareness, not species.



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29 Jul 2012, 10:28 am

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Well then, let's assign rights based on things like awareness, not species.


Degree of awareness is very species related.

Better we should refrain from killing or destroying things which are not harmful to us.

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29 Jul 2012, 10:33 am

If nature didn't make animals taste so good, there would probably be a lot more vegetarians.



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29 Jul 2012, 10:58 am

BreezeGod is right. Plus, they'd kill us if they got the chance.
Ever seen the look on a cow's face? They're evil, I tell ya.

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I bet it's thinking about putting your children in boxes and making them fat before putting a pin through their heads.