time and mathematics

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Do these actual exist in reality or were they just invented by humans?

I invented them

I don't feel qualified to talk about the "time" problem, but I have thought a lot about the "mathematics" problem. Here is my take on whether mathematics is "invented".

I think that certain branches of mathematics, such as the arithmetic of natural numbers and geometry, have very plausible interpretations as being "about" real things. For example, the mathematical statement

can be plausibly interpreted as meaning

However, even though mathematics occasionally has a plausible interpretation like this, I don't think that this is what mathematics is really about. Rather, mathematics is about determining the outcomes of formal systems. So, I think that a superior interpretation of is

When you look at it this way, mathematics is both "created" and "discovered". We "create" the formal systems, and then "discover" their consequences.

Of course, this just passes the Platonic buck and raises the question of whether "formal systems" really exist or not. I think they they do, since formal systems are simply a collection of symbols and rules for manipulating symbols. I am quite happy to say that such a thing exists, in much the same way as the game of chess exists.

Give me some time to think about it.

I don't think they are "created" by humans as such.

On mathematics, I don't think that I can really add much to Declension's post.

On time, I think there probably exists such a thing as time. However, I also think that the way we experience it is not necessarly universal. The problem with this is that we can't experience time in any other way than our own. I don't know if this is clear...

I believe math and time exist. I don't believe space exists. It's an illusion.

Space is a fabrication of the left wing media

Yes.

ruveyn

You could argue that the one true reality is mathematics. 2 + 2 = 4 is a mathematical principle open to discovery by all. Similarly Pythagoras's theorem and all other branches of geometry could be argued to be real independent of whether anyone actually ever discovers those theorems or not.

I'd take it even further and say that even if there was no universe, it could be argued that mathematics would still be real even though there were no life forms to discover its principles or matter / objects to apply the mathematical principles to.

The equation is not man made but means to reach that equation are (mathematics).
Both exist, though one exists because we made it so.

In regards to time that's even more complex lol

On a 4 hours clock 2 + 2 = 0

ruveyn

But how do we calculate how MUNCH time you need to think about it!

This question should be discussed in the first segment of 60 Minutes.

We can't perceive time directly, nor can we perceive math, space, matter, energy or gravity directly.

Time is physical change which we can perceive. We perceive distance which is perceiving space. We all perceive space locally. We perceive it seeing and we perceive it by stretching our arms out.

Have you jumped off a high place lately? Then you can perceive gravitation. Have you lifted up something heavy? Did you strain and heave? If so you perceived gravity. Every kid who has fallen and skinned his/her knee has perceived gravity. Have you ever shagged a high fly and judged where it would come down? Then you have perceived gravity. Any kid with eyes and not to lines of math to his/her name can do it. It cannot get more direct than that.

ruveyn

It might be better to say that under the four-hour-clock equivalence relation,