Some thoughts on 'legimitate rape' and Chick-Fil-A

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donnie_darko
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24 Aug 2012, 2:29 am

I'm sure most of you, as well as the rest of the US have heard about that ridiculous comment about how it's impossible for rape victims to get pregnant. Which is of course BS, in fact some studies suggest rape victims are MORE likely to get pregnant than girls who willingly have sex.

The whole debacle got me thinking though. People in general, at least Americans seem really irrational about how to deal with sexual issues in general. On one hand we have people saying insulting crap like women can't get pregnant from rape when it's fact thousands do every year, on the other hand we have people who are borderline-eugenicist in their zeal for abortion saying that an abortion will make rape victims feel better and is the best choice if they end up pregnant, ignoring the fact that many women consider killing their own baby (okay fine, fetus) more traumatic than rape.

The fact is our fanatical culture here in the United States makes lies about sensitive subjects propagate because even if they are known for a fact not to be true, they're still the 'politically correct' truth people want to hear. The flip-side lie is that rape is not a 'sexual crime' but a 'violent crime' (when in reality it's both), something that feminists like to say which is actually in a certain sense connected to the Christian Conservative lie about rape pregnancies being impossible when you think about it, because both are down-playing the fact that rape is a sexual crime as well as a violent crime and that if we really want to prevent rape we can't be intellectually dishonest about that fact just because we have Puritan ideas about honour.

And secondly, there's the Chic-Fil-A thing. How f***ing stupid is that? Do I really live in such a stupid country, where people eat fatty fried chicken and waffle sticks to make a statement on how much they hate gay people? Honestly I could care less about what the owner of Chic-Fil-A thinks about gay marriage. They don't even have the restaurants in my state, I've never even been to one before.

It seems like about the gay rights issues, just like the abortion issue, it's incredibly polarized. Basically one camp thinks if you are uncomfortable with gay marriage (which I'm not BTW) it means you hate gay people and want them to die, and another believes that we basically should strip gays of their human rights and dignity.

Is this country just becoming absolutely insane?



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24 Aug 2012, 2:31 am

donnie_darko wrote:
It seems like about the gay rights issues, just like the abortion issue, it's incredibly polarized. Basically one camp thinks if you are uncomfortable with gay marriage (which I'm not BTW) it means you hate gay people and want them to die, and another believes that we basically should strip gays of their human rights and dignity.

Is this country just becoming absolutely insane?
Or just that they should have their constitutional rights of marriage.


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24 Aug 2012, 2:32 am

Delphiki wrote:
donnie_darko wrote:


Is this country just becoming absolutely insane?
Or just that they should have their constitutional rights of marriage.


I agree that they should. But there's this idea among some people who, like me, support gay marriage that being uncomfortable with or unsure about granting them the right means you're somehow akin to the people who killed Matthew Shepard.



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24 Aug 2012, 8:01 am

The second you deny rights to a group of people, you stop deserving the benefit of doubt.

donnie_darko wrote:
if you are uncomfortable with gay marriage (which I'm not BTW) it means you hate gay people and want them to die,

It is one thing to be uncomfortable, it is another thing to deny them the right to get civil marriage because God hates what they do a lot and it would be a very RISKY thing they could adopt children. Cuz, remember how they caused hurricane Katrina? Etc.


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24 Aug 2012, 10:45 am

Marriage is not a constitutional right in America btw.

I support giving gays the same legal rights as straights. There is no issue there. I would never dream of forcing a church to marry a gay couple anymore than I would deny them the same rights as straights.

I believe people have a right to feel how they want about gays. They don't have a right to discriminate against them though.

As for legit rape guy, even the Republican party has disowned that guy. He's a nut.



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24 Aug 2012, 11:18 am

thewhitrbbit wrote:
Marriage is not a constitutional right in America btw.


The United States Supreme Court ruled, in Loving v. Virginia

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Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State.


Now if the fourteenth amendment can be brought to bear on the question of prohibited marriage between members of different races, then it is not a significant legal step to see that it can be similarly brought to bear on the question of prohibited marriage between members of the same sex.


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24 Aug 2012, 2:22 pm

Chic-Fil-A is creepy. They light them up with an obscene amount of lights at christmas and combining fast food and religion is just bizarre. Even driving past the place I get a scientology vibe.

Do they have happy meals with miniature bibles? Or do you get a free e-meter reading?



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24 Aug 2012, 6:27 pm

I've never been there.
I guess I need to start.
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24 Aug 2012, 7:14 pm

simon_says wrote:
Chic-Fil-A is creepy. They light them up with an obscene amount of lights at christmas and combining fast food and religion is just bizarre. Even driving past the place I get a scientology vibe.

Do they have happy meals with miniature bibles? Or do you get a free e-meter reading?


And yet people complain about companies not having ethics...



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24 Aug 2012, 7:56 pm

I hate how many lies people create in order to deal with sensitive topics, but repression is a psychological defense mechanism so it'll probably never go away. The truth is that suffering, chaos, corruption, and unfairness are natural and they will always exist to some extent. I don't like how common these things are in today's world, but there's nothing that I or any other individual can do to eliminate them. Maybe someday a collective action will nullify some of these things, but they will never completely disappear. People can't work to nullify these these things unless they acknowledge them. People who repress these things and spread false, sensitized views are contributing to preventing this from happening.

I don't see why any married people should get tax benefits that single people don't. Single people need money too. They have to pay for their housing and other bills by themselves without being able to share that responsibility with a spouse. Why should monetary benefits be a sedative to get married? Marriage should be more about emotional connection rather than monetary and legal benefits.

I don't see why people care so much about gay people getting married. They're not hurting anyone and it doesn't really effect my life at all, so I don't really care. I think people mostly just want to feel morally vindicated by the government. I don't care about this because I see the government as being immoral and corrupt, and I don't need them to vindicate my morals.



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24 Aug 2012, 8:21 pm

simon_says wrote:
Chic-Fil-A is creepy. They light them up with an obscene amount of lights at christmas and combining fast food and religion is just bizarre. Even driving past the place I get a scientology vibe.

Do they have happy meals with miniature bibles? Or do you get a free e-meter reading?


No but their chicken is guaranteed to give you the runs so f*cking hard that you will literally s**t out all the gay in you and be able to bask in Christ's glorious holy light once again


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25 Aug 2012, 12:47 am

Mike1 wrote:
I hate how many lies people create in order to deal with sensitive topics, but repression is a psychological defense mechanism so it'll probably never go away. The truth is that suffering, chaos, corruption, and unfairness are natural and they will always exist to some extent. I don't like how common these things are in today's world, but there's nothing that I or any other individual can do to eliminate them. Maybe someday a collective action will nullify some of these things, but they will never completely disappear. People can't work to nullify these these things unless they acknowledge them. People who repress these things and spread false, sensitized views are contributing to preventing this from happening.



I completely agree.



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25 Aug 2012, 10:28 am

Vigilans wrote:
simon_says wrote:
Chic-Fil-A is creepy. They light them up with an obscene amount of lights at christmas and combining fast food and religion is just bizarre. Even driving past the place I get a scientology vibe.

Do they have happy meals with miniature bibles? Or do you get a free e-meter reading?


No but their chicken is guaranteed to give you the runs so f*cking hard that you will literally sh** out all the gay in you and be able to bask in Christ's glorious holy light once again


Chick-Fil-A product is on a part with Kentucky Fried Chicken. I happen to like both.

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25 Aug 2012, 10:35 am

ruveyn wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
simon_says wrote:
Chic-Fil-A is creepy. They light them up with an obscene amount of lights at christmas and combining fast food and religion is just bizarre. Even driving past the place I get a scientology vibe.

Do they have happy meals with miniature bibles? Or do you get a free e-meter reading?


No but their chicken is guaranteed to give you the runs so f*cking hard that you will literally sh** out all the gay in you and be able to bask in Christ's glorious holy light once again


Chick-Fil-A product is on a part with Kentucky Fried Chicken. I happen to like both.

ruveyn


I have to agree Chick-fil-a uses peanut oil and has a nice product.


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