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do you all think the "fix" is in?
yes, the fix is in. 25%  25%  [ 4 ]
no, that is just the imagining of a paranoid leftie. 25%  25%  [ 4 ]
i don't know enough yet to decide what is the truth. 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
31 states' voter suppression laws and other dirty tricks aren't enough to sway the outcome. 13%  13%  [ 2 ]
i'd really much rather have me a nice yummy icecream! 31%  31%  [ 5 ]
Total votes : 16

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11 Aug 2012, 12:17 pm

now that willard the wonk has chosen ryan as his running mate, i get the sneaking suspicion that romney [and his backers] knows something about the election outcome that the rest of us don't. after all, if he were genuinely worried about having to "reach across the aisle" [to get the votes of the middle] he would likely have chosen somebody [not so extremely rightist] with more appeal to the rest of us. IOW 31 reddish states' various voter suppression laws, diebold [republican-owned, btw] voting machines' rigged tabulations and other dirty tricks [such as misleading robocalls to prospective non-republican suckers (i mean voters) fooling said folks into believing that they should not vote or that the election will be held on another day] will safely swing the election outcome right into the repub's pockets. what do you think?



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11 Aug 2012, 12:26 pm

What is so extreme about Paul Ryan? His plan is to balance the budget in 40 years! 40 years!



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11 Aug 2012, 12:48 pm

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What is so extreme about Paul Ryan? His plan is to balance the budget in 40 years! 40 years!

That fast? I wasn't aware of that!

Anyway, There are a lot of people that don't want the vice presidency anymore. It's known to be a career killer if they lose.


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11 Aug 2012, 1:01 pm

in my book, doing away with medicare and social security [and the rest of the social safety net] is extreme.



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11 Aug 2012, 1:08 pm

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in my book, doing away with medicare and social security [and the rest of the social safety net] is extreme.


I agree with your politics but I see the selection of Ryan as signal that Romney is not planing on winning.
It is a bit like Mccain's selection of Palin. a KowTow to the Fox news set that will only hurt him with
independents.


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11 Aug 2012, 1:10 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
I agree with your politics but I see the selection of Ryan as signal that Romney is not planning on winning. It is a bit like Mccain's selection of Palin. a KowTow to the Fox news set that will only hurt him with independents.

can you tell me what you mean by "romney is not planning on winning"? why would he and his proxies have spent a king's ransom on this thing if he didn't want to become king of america? just curious. :)



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11 Aug 2012, 1:25 pm

auntblabby wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
I agree with your politics but I see the selection of Ryan as signal that Romney is not planning on winning. It is a bit like Mccain's selection of Palin. a KowTow to the Fox news set that will only hurt him with independents.

can you tell me what you mean by "romney is not planning on winning"? why would he and his proxies have spent a king's ransom on this thing if he didn't want to become king of america? just curious. :)


I am sure he wants to win. He just knows that his party does not think he can.
The muckity-mucks at the GOP are spending money to damage Obama to change his policy.
Money they would spend anyway.

Romney is a fatally flawed candidate he has emptied himself so much.
intrade has him at 38% chance of winning I say when he releases his tax returns that show
he paid no tax or ten years that will plummet.


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11 Aug 2012, 1:34 pm

auntblabby wrote:
in my book, doing away with medicare and social security [and the rest of the social safety net] is extreme.


I don't know the specifics of his "Road Map" but doing away is probably the wrong term, more like replace with some other form.

But yes, he is a fraud fiscal conservative. He wants near 30 more years of deficits and is just your typical neo-con when it comes to wars and "defense" spending while also voting for the bailouts. I think even Obama is more ambitious of cutting the down the deficit than that.

The point of picking Paul Ryan is to excite the Fox News base which Romney wasn't too popular with anyways while conveniently staying with in the establishment. Ryan is no rogue element and is controlled.



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11 Aug 2012, 1:39 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
intrade has him at 38% chance of winning I say when he releases his tax returns that show he paid no tax or ten years that will plummet.

i hope you are right about that. in the case that the repubs get their man in, i predict that in 4 years' time he will have so pissed off everybody that hillary would stand a real chance of getting elected just to get rid of romney.



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11 Aug 2012, 1:50 pm

I would much rather eat ice cream. I hope you're wrong, but ... I'm not getting a warm fuzzy about this election, in spite of the polls showing Obama ahead. We'll see...

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11 Aug 2012, 2:16 pm

He picked Ryan because he was losing. He needed something to get attention and try to shift the momentum. Even Republican pundits noted that he was losing.



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11 Aug 2012, 2:18 pm

lets let Nate Silver give his 2 cents.
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11 Aug 2012, 2:41 pm

The advantage is that it will spur turnout from the GOP faithful. They like the things Ryan says he stands for (help the rich, screw the poor) and his Ayn Rand rhetoric.

The downside being that Ryan is more tied to the Bush agenda than anyone else running. He voted for every budget busting proposal that Bush could dream up. But righties will still likely accept him as a born again fiscal conservative. Moderates might be turned off by his far right budget vision.



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11 Aug 2012, 3:01 pm

Maybe it's just that no one else wanted to be his running mate.



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11 Aug 2012, 3:08 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
lets let Nate Silver give his 2 cents.
<<a-risky-rationale-behind-romneys-choice-of-ryan>>


Nate Silver wrote:
The last ordinary member of the House to be elected vice president, and the last Republican, came more than 100 years ago: in 1908, when William Howard Taft and James S. Sherman, a New York congressman, were chosen by voters. (Coincidentally, that fall was also the last time that the Chicago Cubs won the World Series.)


Are the Cubbies going to win the World Series again? That would be amazing.



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11 Aug 2012, 3:59 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
lets let Nate Silver give his 2 cents.
<<a-risky-rationale-behind-romneys-choice-of-ryan>>


Nate Silver wrote:
The last ordinary member of the House to be elected vice president, and the last Republican, came more than 100 years ago: in 1908, when William Howard Taft and James S. Sherman, a New York congressman, were chosen by voters. (Coincidentally, that fall was also the last time that the Chicago Cubs won the World Series.)


Are the Cubbies going to win the World Series again? That would be amazing.


Nate initially came into the public eye for handicapping baseball.


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