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11 Aug 2012, 12:29 pm

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In 2007, two DUP members raised the issue of creationism and intelligent design, questioning the availability of materials and resources for schools wishing to teach alternatives to the theory of evolution. Additionally, one of these members, MP David Simpson, asked for assurances that students who gave creationist answers to examination questions would not be marked lower for it. A spokesman for the DUP confirmed that these views are consistent with party policy.[39]


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11 Aug 2012, 12:41 pm

Yup - they've got a fair bit of stick for that. A month or so back they were involved in a row about the promotion of Creationism in the Giant's Causeway visitor centre. They're an odd bunch, the DUs. Having said that, I don't have a lot of time for the social views of any NI political party.



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11 Aug 2012, 2:05 pm

Theyre hell-bent on keeping northern ireland part of the UK because they so passionately identify with the UK: where only six percent of the population goes to church and where nobody shares their values nor their wierd ideas -like creationism!



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11 Aug 2012, 2:09 pm

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Theyre hell-bent on keeping northern ireland part of the UK because they so passionately identify with the UK


It's less to do with that in the DUP's case and more to do with opposing a United Ireland.



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11 Aug 2012, 2:21 pm

Tequila wrote:
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Theyre hell-bent on keeping northern ireland part of the UK because they so passionately identify with the UK


It's less to do with that in the DUP's case and more to do with opposing a United Ireland.


Because it is Catholic?


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11 Aug 2012, 4:06 pm

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Because it is Catholic?


No, because they don't feel that it is advantageous to Northern Ireland's people.

I do think that Northern Ireland coming out of a 30-year terrorist campaign by people who tried to murder and bomb them into a UI didn't really help things much. Just as loyalist terrorists butchering innocent Catholics didn't necessarily endear Catholics much to the Union (although there is a sizable Catholic Unionist element in NI).



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11 Aug 2012, 4:12 pm

Tequila wrote:
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Because it is Catholic?


No, because they don't feel that it is advantageous to Northern Ireland's people.

I do think that Northern Ireland coming out of a 30-year terrorist campaign by people who tried to murder and bomb them into a UI didn't really help things much. Just as loyalist terrorists butchering innocent Catholics didn't necessarily endear Catholics much to the Union (although there is a sizable Catholic Unionist element in NI).


This may sound like an ad hom or perhaps the genetic fallacy but I am using it heuristically.
If they are so nuts on evolution and the gay issue maybe they have crazy reasons for being against a united Ireland?
Saving myself from actually falling for the fallacies I will point out that I am not arguing that there are not good reasons for Northern Ireland remaining part of the Union. It is just that the DUP being nuts might not know what that is.


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11 Aug 2012, 4:22 pm

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If they are so nuts on evolution and the gay issue maybe they have crazy reasons for being against a united Ireland?


You do know that these are most likely a minority view even within Unionism and that most unionists probably don't have much of a problem with gay people and think that half of what the DUP spout is a load of crap? I think they're an Ulster Nationalist with the Union as a secondary feature rather than a British Unionist party per se, but Unionist politics in Northern Ireland is generally loopy that way anyway.



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11 Aug 2012, 4:32 pm

Tequila wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
If they are so nuts on evolution and the gay issue maybe they have crazy reasons for being against a united Ireland?


You do know that these are most likely a minority view even within Unionism and that most unionists probably don't have much of a problem with gay people and think that half of what the DUP spout is a load of crap? I think they're an Ulster Nationalist with the Union as a secondary feature rather than a British Unionist party per se, but Unionist politics in Northern Ireland is generally loopy that way anyway.


I hope you are right it is the case with american republicans (most are not idiots).
But I would like to see some polling.

The other Unionist party does not seem to be anti-gay or creationist.


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12 Aug 2012, 3:37 pm

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The other Unionist party does not seem to be anti-gay or creationist.


Yeah, but the other Unionist party - I assume you mean the UUP? - is pretty much completely dead on its arse. The DUP dominates Unionist politics in Northern Ireland and has done for about ten years. The only other Unionist party is the TUV, which is even more hardline than the DUP.



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12 Aug 2012, 5:40 pm

Tequila wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
The other Unionist party does not seem to be anti-gay or creationist.


Yeah, but the other Unionist party - I assume you mean the UUP? - is pretty much completely dead on its arse. The DUP dominates Unionist politics in Northern Ireland and has done for about ten years. The only other Unionist party is the TUV, which is even more hardline than the DUP.


Here is an Article
<<TUV calls Irish a rude name>>


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12 Aug 2012, 7:58 pm

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The DUP is the largest party in Northern Ireland, currently holding eight seats at Westminster and 38 seats in the Northern Ireland Assembly. It has one seat in the European Parliament, where its MEP, Diane Dodds, sits as a Non-Inscrit. As of 21th century, DUP is one of the few openly homophobic major (with parliamentary presence) parties of Western Europe.[8]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Unionist_Party

Sound like comical throw backs.


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13 Aug 2012, 7:14 am

Master_Pedant wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Unionist_Party

Sound like comical throw backs.


That's not strictly true - the SGP in the Netherlands make the DUP look like liberals. They're extreme social conservatives who won't take part in TV interviews, think homosexuality should be illegal, believe that government should be totally based on the Bible and support theocracy. Furthermore, they banned women from becoming members of the party until 2006, oppose the idea of freedom of religion and hold an extreme form of Calvinism to be the one true faith.

The BNP also look pretty homophobic to me, and they'd probably make homosexuality illegal if ever they got power. They support the death penalty also. (They have two seats in the European Parliament - Nick Griffin won a seat in my region.)



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13 Aug 2012, 7:34 am

Tequila wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Unionist_Party

Sound like comical throw backs.


The BNP also look pretty homophobic to me, and they'd probably make homosexuality illegal if ever they got power. They support the death penalty also. (They have two seats in the European Parliament - Nick Griffin won a seat in my region.)


That would be Nick Griffin the Skinhead band promoter then?
Did he get the EU seats because of voter apathy or because the EU parliament has a ridiculously low
threshold?


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13 Aug 2012, 8:45 am

JakobVirgil wrote:
Did he get the EU seats because of voter apathy or because the EU parliament has a ridiculously low
threshold?


No, he got the EU seats because they polled around 8% of the vote in the North West (they got around 150,000 votes here). The BNP got two seats and sit in the Non-Attached grouping with the DUP and other parties like the National Union Attack, Jobbik, the Party for Freedom and the French Front National. The Non-Attached group is a strange bunch of misfits.



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13 Aug 2012, 11:47 am

Tequila wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Did he get the EU seats because of voter apathy or because the EU parliament has a ridiculously low
threshold?


No, he got the EU seats because they polled around 8% of the vote in the North West (they got around 150,000 votes here). The BNP got two seats and sit in the Non-Attached grouping with the DUP and other parties like the National Union Attack, Jobbik, the Party for Freedom and the French Front National. The Non-Attached group is a strange bunch of misfits.


They sound like a great bunch of guys to eat lunch with. :lol:
We prolly have higher percentages of crazy in america but our system encourages them to join one of the two major parties. (and make them crazy)


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