30 Jul 2012, 8:24 pm
03 Aug 2012, 4:38 pm
If the topic is biblical homosexuality, then the discussion goes on for pages and pages.
If the topic is unrelated to homosexuality, then not so much as a nibble.
Okay, fine. Let's see whether we can jizz this one up a bit, using King James' version.
Genesis 12 wrote:
Now the LORD had said unto Abram, "Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee; and I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing. And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."
So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him, and Lot went with him. Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran. And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their substance that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran; and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan; and into the land of Canaan they came.
And Abram passed through the land unto the place of Sichem, unto the plain of Moreh. And the Canaanite was then in the land. And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, "Unto thy seed will I give this land." And there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.
So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him, and Lot went with him. Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran. And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their substance that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran; and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan; and into the land of Canaan they came.
And Abram passed through the land unto the place of Sichem, unto the plain of Moreh. And the Canaanite was then in the land. And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, "Unto thy seed will I give this land." And there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.
Galatians 3 wrote:
Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. "The law ... was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator." Who gave the law to Moses? Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. "The law ... was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator." Who gave the law to Moses? Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
I think that Paul is full of poop here. When referring to Abram's ejaculant, or "seed", it is obvious to me that Yahweh is referring to Abram's descendents who will acquire a specific piece of land, after a great deal of coitus and ejaculant entering vaginas.
When Yahweh says "Unto thy seed I will give this land", he couldn't have been referring to Jesus, because Jesus never had any chance of acquiring the land. There were hundreds of years of ejaculations between Abram and Jesus.
Granted, "seed" is a singular noun, even in English.
Dictionary wrote:
1. A ripened plant ovule containing an embryo.
2. A propagative part of a plant, as a tuber or spore.
3. Seeds considered as a group.
4. The seed-bearing stage of a plant.
5. Something that resembles a seed, as a tiny bubble in a piece of glass.
6.
a. A small amount of material used to start a chemical reaction.
b. A small crystal used to start a crystallization process.
7. Medicine A form of a radioactive isotope that is used to localize and concentrate the amount of radiation administered to a body site, such as a tumor.
8. A source or beginning; a germ.
9. Offspring; progeny.
10. Family stock; ancestry.
11. Sperm; semen.
12. A seed oyster or oysters; spat.
13. Sports A player who has been seeded for a tournament, often at a given rank: a top seed.
2. A propagative part of a plant, as a tuber or spore.
3. Seeds considered as a group.
4. The seed-bearing stage of a plant.
5. Something that resembles a seed, as a tiny bubble in a piece of glass.
6.
a. A small amount of material used to start a chemical reaction.
b. A small crystal used to start a crystallization process.
7. Medicine A form of a radioactive isotope that is used to localize and concentrate the amount of radiation administered to a body site, such as a tumor.
8. A source or beginning; a germ.
9. Offspring; progeny.
10. Family stock; ancestry.
11. Sperm; semen.
12. A seed oyster or oysters; spat.
13. Sports A player who has been seeded for a tournament, often at a given rank: a top seed.
But, the singular form can be used in a plural sense.
If Yahweh had meant just one ejaculant, as Paul suggests, then this would be referring to Isaac or Ishmael, and not Jesus.
03 Aug 2012, 5:07 pm
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03 Aug 2012, 7:01 pm
ArrantPariah wrote:
:roll:
If the topic is biblical homosexuality, then the discussion goes on for pages and pages.
If the topic is unrelated to homosexuality, then not so much as a nibble.
Okay, fine. Let's see whether we can jizz this one up a bit, using King James' version.
If the topic is biblical homosexuality, then the discussion goes on for pages and pages.
If the topic is unrelated to homosexuality, then not so much as a nibble.
Okay, fine. Let's see whether we can jizz this one up a bit, using King James' version.
Patience. I'm playing a gig in a couple of hours and am in the middle of loading up so I can get to soundcheck on time. Gimme a day or two on this and I'll have something for you. At the moment I'm stumped, but only because I've never seen this one before. If I'm up to 4:00 tomorrow morning, it might be tomorrow evening before I even feel like looking all that up.
The simple answer is that Paul qualifies as an apostolic source, so what he writes is inspired and, therefore, true. You need something a little more in-depth than that, obviously, but I can only be in three places at a time.
Unfortunately, WP is going to have to take backseat until I can free myself up.
03 Aug 2012, 8:20 pm
Okay. You may be excused for the time being. 
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06 Aug 2012, 6:21 am
ArrantPariah wrote:
:roll:
If the topic is biblical homosexuality, then the discussion goes on for pages and pages.
If the topic is unrelated to homosexuality, then not so much as a nibble.
Okay, fine. Let's see whether we can jizz this one up a bit, using King James' version.
I think that Paul is full of poop here. When referring to Abram's ejaculant, or "seed", it is obvious to me that Yahweh is referring to Abram's descendents who will acquire a specific piece of land, after a great deal of coitus and ejaculant entering vaginas.
When Yahweh says "Unto thy seed I will give this land", he couldn't have been referring to Jesus, because Jesus never had any chance of acquiring the land. There were hundreds of years of ejaculations between Abram and Jesus.
Granted, "seed" is a singular noun, even in English.
But, the singular form can be used in a plural sense.
If Yahweh had meant just one ejaculant, as Paul suggests, then this would be referring to Isaac or Ishmael, and not Jesus.
Well, Yahweh does say that Abraham's line will be traced through Isaac. But what is important here is that Abraham was told to sacrifice his only son--that is, the only son that was promised to him through Sarah. The substitutionary sacrifice of the ram was provided, which points to the "only begotten" of God, the Messiah, being sacrificed to save all the world.
If the topic is biblical homosexuality, then the discussion goes on for pages and pages.
If the topic is unrelated to homosexuality, then not so much as a nibble.
Okay, fine. Let's see whether we can jizz this one up a bit, using King James' version.
Genesis 12 wrote:
Now the LORD had said unto Abram, "Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee; and I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing. And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."
So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him, and Lot went with him. Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran. And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their substance that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran; and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan; and into the land of Canaan they came.
And Abram passed through the land unto the place of Sichem, unto the plain of Moreh. And the Canaanite was then in the land. And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, "Unto thy seed will I give this land." And there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.
So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him, and Lot went with him. Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran. And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their substance that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran; and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan; and into the land of Canaan they came.
And Abram passed through the land unto the place of Sichem, unto the plain of Moreh. And the Canaanite was then in the land. And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, "Unto thy seed will I give this land." And there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.
Galatians 3 wrote:
Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. "The law ... was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator." Who gave the law to Moses? Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. "The law ... was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator." Who gave the law to Moses? Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
I think that Paul is full of poop here. When referring to Abram's ejaculant, or "seed", it is obvious to me that Yahweh is referring to Abram's descendents who will acquire a specific piece of land, after a great deal of coitus and ejaculant entering vaginas.
When Yahweh says "Unto thy seed I will give this land", he couldn't have been referring to Jesus, because Jesus never had any chance of acquiring the land. There were hundreds of years of ejaculations between Abram and Jesus.
Granted, "seed" is a singular noun, even in English.
Dictionary wrote:
1. A ripened plant ovule containing an embryo.
2. A propagative part of a plant, as a tuber or spore.
3. Seeds considered as a group.
4. The seed-bearing stage of a plant.
5. Something that resembles a seed, as a tiny bubble in a piece of glass.
6.
a. A small amount of material used to start a chemical reaction.
b. A small crystal used to start a crystallization process.
7. Medicine A form of a radioactive isotope that is used to localize and concentrate the amount of radiation administered to a body site, such as a tumor.
8. A source or beginning; a germ.
9. Offspring; progeny.
10. Family stock; ancestry.
11. Sperm; semen.
12. A seed oyster or oysters; spat.
13. Sports A player who has been seeded for a tournament, often at a given rank: a top seed.
2. A propagative part of a plant, as a tuber or spore.
3. Seeds considered as a group.
4. The seed-bearing stage of a plant.
5. Something that resembles a seed, as a tiny bubble in a piece of glass.
6.
a. A small amount of material used to start a chemical reaction.
b. A small crystal used to start a crystallization process.
7. Medicine A form of a radioactive isotope that is used to localize and concentrate the amount of radiation administered to a body site, such as a tumor.
8. A source or beginning; a germ.
9. Offspring; progeny.
10. Family stock; ancestry.
11. Sperm; semen.
12. A seed oyster or oysters; spat.
13. Sports A player who has been seeded for a tournament, often at a given rank: a top seed.
But, the singular form can be used in a plural sense.
If Yahweh had meant just one ejaculant, as Paul suggests, then this would be referring to Isaac or Ishmael, and not Jesus.
This is interesting because the words in both Hebrew and Greek can refer to seed as singular OR plural. My translation uses the word "offspring." There doesn't seem to be much way around this in English, either, is there?
God makes additional promises in regards to Isaac and Ishmael, though. Abraham will be the father of a great nation. His line will be traced through Isaac. All the nations of the earth will be blessed through him. If you take the word for "offspring" as singular, it's a messianic prophecy and Paul is correct.
09 Aug 2012, 2:56 pm
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20 Aug 2012, 7:14 am
AngelRho wrote:
Personally, I think I'd enjoy reading what Paul might have to say about the RC church if he could have seen what eventually became of it (the later Crusades and the inquisitions).
And I would love to read Paul's letter to the Southern Baptists.
That does sound like a fun thing to do: imagine yourself as Paul, and write letters to various churches.
He never praises any of the churches.
But, he was expecting Jesus to return any day, to raise the dead, and cart off his believers to Heaven, certainly while most of the people in his day were still alive. If he were to return today, he might decide that it was all rather silly after all.
20 Aug 2012, 3:16 pm
