Could drugs have been made illegal to enable corruption?

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15 Sep 2012, 8:56 am

That is, the corruption of law itself - 'planting evidence'. Sure, the police still try to catch those who actually deal in them but only when they can't show that they're doing anything better (since they have targets to meet), or otherwise not solve more dangerous cases like murders.

I mean, the law could have been corrupted before then still, but it took much more effort to kill someone and blame it on another person - placing a bag of powder at some random place is so much easier!

What I'll never digest is that there are any morals involved with these laws at all. There is no other activity where a person may harm themselves that is made illegal, otherwise (and, of course, most drugs don't even come close to doing as much harm as some other things) - the death cap isn't illegal to ingest, psilocybin is, which is harmless. This, then, confirms that anyone who's truly convinced that it's to "save the children!" is delusional, and at worst mindlessly supports a minority that attempts to justifiably bypass the law in the eyes of the majority.

Countries with the worst of human rights have the most severe laws against drugs too - a coincidence? :roll:



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15 Sep 2012, 9:13 am

Mootoo wrote:
That is, the corruption of law itself - 'planting evidence'. Sure, the police still try to catch those who actually deal in them but only when they can't show that they're doing anything better (since they have targets to meet), or otherwise not solve more dangerous cases like murders.

I mean, the law could have been corrupted before then still, but it took much more effort to kill someone and blame it on another person - placing a bag of powder at some random place is so much easier!

What I'll never digest is that there are any morals involved with these laws at all. There is no other activity where a person may harm themselves that is made illegal, otherwise (and, of course, most drugs don't even come close to doing as much harm as some other things) - the death cap isn't illegal to ingest, psilocybin is, which is harmless. This, then, confirms that anyone who's truly convinced that it's to "save the children!" is delusional, and at worst mindlessly supports a minority that attempts to justifiably bypass the law in the eyes of the majority.

Countries with the worst of human rights have the most severe laws against drugs too - a coincidence? :roll:


You are confusing cause with effect. Where prohibition prevails there will be, as a consequence, more than enough corruption.

Drug laws were originally passed in the U.S. for racial reasons. It was believed that dope would lead negro men to ravish white women sexually, so dope was made illegal in 1906. Do you know what the interesting ingredient in Coca Coal (tm) was prior to 1906. It was cocaine. Things go better with coke.

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15 Sep 2012, 9:32 am

I totally agree with Ruveyn on this. I think the war on drugs was a very misguided mistake which politicians are now unable to back down from without making themselves unelectable for a generation because they've done so well at convincing a significant portion of the population that drugs basically=satan.



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15 Sep 2012, 12:12 pm

They were made illegal because the primary users were minorities and the big drug companies can't make any money from natural substances.



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15 Sep 2012, 12:14 pm

Don't forget the stake that "Big Tobacco" has in the smoke-able drug market.

Can you imagine how the beer companies would suffer if wacky-tobacky was legal?



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15 Sep 2012, 7:16 pm

I come from a country where that is hard to digest as something realistic.
If I understand you correctly you don't seem to see the major social consequences of drugs? All the death and suffering because of drugs circulating in society, addiction...

ruveyn wrote:
It was believed that dope would lead negro men to ravish white women sexually

Nice euphemism. Lol.



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15 Sep 2012, 7:29 pm

Fnord wrote:
Don't forget the stake that "Big Tobacco" has in the smoke-able drug market.

Can you imagine how the beer companies would suffer if wacky-tobacky was legal?


I don't know it might open up opportunities....for one instead of brewing beer with hemp seeds, they could straight up brew it with hops and buds and that would be a damn good beer. Besides there are lots of people who enjoy both beer and cannabis.


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15 Sep 2012, 9:51 pm

It probably wasn't the original reason, but it would be interesting to know if drug cartels are covertly using their money to lobby against legalization.

As far as the police, if drugs were legalized then they could use a baggie full of kiddie porn to frame people. Or a gun with a filed-off serial number (and have the boys in the evidence room will keep 'losing' it over and over again). There's probably a lot of alternative ways to frame people.



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16 Sep 2012, 1:52 am

Apple_in_my_Eye wrote:
Or a gun with a filed-off serial number (and have the boys in the evidence room will keep 'losing' it over and over again).


There's actually a technical term for that, it's called a "throw-down", as in you throw it down when you shoot someone under questionable circumstances, and then claim the guy you shot pulled it on you. Usually they get them from shaking down other usual suspect types, and just never make a record of the confiscation. Some cops use knives as throwdowns too, though the term almost always refers to a cheap pistol taken off of another crook.


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16 Sep 2012, 1:53 am

I've always heard that part of the push to criminalize cannabis came from the soon to be defunct prohibition enforcement agencies, which needed something new to prohibit lest they have to fire people and shrink some bureaucratic empires.


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16 Sep 2012, 11:07 am

As far as I can tell drug laws are all about controlling people or really the fear of loosing control of people.
If look at the heart of the reasons, like some other race doing something you fear they might do, its really about people fearing loosing control over others.
The prohibition movement was all about controlling the of others.
What makes those that are in control most fearful is people who think for themselves, its that fear of people getting out of the lemming blind follower mode.

Now it is true there has been a secondary minor reasons, that is health, like the push for correct labeling of ingredients in patent medicine, this did not result in making them illegal. As far as I can tell personal health is not a much of a concern for those pushing drug prohibition. If you look at everything from "roid rage" to "devil weed" its all about loosing control over people that is the main motive. Those pushing the drug war are maintaining bureaucratic/political empires or use it to oppresses and extort others. Really if you look at anyone from a local pusher in a favela in Brazil to Homeland Security its all about who is in power and control. Getting killed or maimed in the "drug war" is unquestionably very bad for your health.

Of coarse you would be very well served by avoiding additive drugs for your own personal health but most people already know this. That's the reason weed is so popular and heroin is not even though both are illegal. Addictive drugs can highjack your motives and cause disastrous mental anguish all this is made much worse by drug prohibition.

Politicians are by nature a self serving power hungry lot. The devil has served politicians very well for a very long time. Just my opinion but politicians will not abandon the drugs=the devil meme until it is no longer useful, there will be a replacement and it will revolve around power and control.