Immigration and the Unmentionable Question
Immigration And The Unmentionable Question Of Ethnic Interests
By Kevin MacDonald
October 27, 2004
Arguments over immigration are usually limited to cultural or economic factors. Political scientists like Samuel Huntington point out that the culture of the country will change dramatically if there is a continued influx of Spanish-speaking immigrants. And economists like George Borjas have demonstrated that large masses of newcomers depress wages and create enormous demands on the environment and on public services, especially health care and education.
These lines of argument are, of course, legitimate. But there always seems to be an element of timidity present. No one wants to talk about the 800-lb. gorilla sitting over there in the corner—the issue of ethnic interests.
Any attempt to bring up the ethnic issue is usually strangled in the cradle. Indeed, other lines of argument are frequently met by assertions that they are masking ethnic concerns. Thus immigration enthusiasts are quick to smear arguments that immigration will harm the environment as "the greening of hate."
This strategy has been highly effective—because, if there is one area where the intellectual left has won a complete and decisive victory, it is in pathologizing any consideration by the European majority of the United States of its own ethnic interests. By "pathologizing" I mean not only that people have been indoctrinated that their commonsense perceptions of race and ethnicity are an "illusion," but, further, that the slightest assertion of ethnic self-interest or consciousness by the European majority of the United States is the sign of a grave moral defect—so grave that it is a matter of psychiatric concern.
Of course, this is hypocritical. While assertions of ethnic interest by Europeans are stigmatized, assertions of ethnic interest by other groups are utterly commonplace. Mexican activists loudly advertise their goal of reconquering the Southwestern United States via immigration from Mexico—which would obviously be in the ethnic interests of Mexicans but would presumably harm the interests of European-Americans. Jewish organizations, in the forefront of the intellectual and political battle to pathologize the ethnic interests of European Americans, have simultaneously been deeply involved in organizing coalitions of minority ethnic groups to assert their political interests in Congress and in the workplace. Plus the Jewish effort on behalf of their ethnic brethren in Israel is legendary—and can only be described as awesomely effective.
I believe we should get rid of the hypocrisy and discuss ethnic interests openly and honestly.
Until recently, ethnic interests were understood intuitively by everyone. People have an interest, or "stake" in their ethnic group in exactly the same way that parents have a genetic interest in raising their children. By bringing up my children, I ensure that my unique genes are passed on to the next generation. This is the fundamental principle of Darwin’s theory of evolution. But in defending my ethnic interests, I am doing the same thing—ensuring that the genetic uniqueness of my ethnic group is passed into the next generation.
And this is the case even if I don’t have children myself: I succeed genetically when my ethnic group as a whole prospers.
A major step forward in the scientific analysis of ethnicity is Frank Salter’s book On Genetic Interests: Family, Ethny, and Humanity in an Age of Mass Migration. Salter’s basic purpose is to quantify how much genetic overlap people in the same ethnic group or race share, as compared to people from different ethnic groups or races.
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It turns out that the distances between human populations correspond approximately to what a reasonably well-informed historian or demographer or tourist would expect. For instance, Scandinavians have greater overlap of genetic interests with other Scandinavians than other Europeans. Europeans have a greater genetic interest in other Europeans than in Africans.
In fact, on average, people are as closely related to other members of their ethnic group, versus the rest of the world, as they are closely related to their grandchildren, versus the rest of their ethnic group.
Salter suggests we think of it this way: citing authors like Garret Hardin and E. O. Wilson, he argues that we can’t just keep on expanding our numbers and usage of resources indefinitely. If immigrants contribute to the economy in ways that the native population cannot, the national carrying capacity is raised. But if they are a drain on resources or even of average productivity, they must take the place of potential native-born in the ultimate total population. It’s a zero-sum game.
Let’s suppose that immigrants have equal capacities to the native born. Then if 10,000 Danes emigrate to England and ultimately substitute for 10,000 English natives, the average Englishman loses the genetic equivalent of 167 children (or siblings) in the ultimate total population, because of the close genetic relationship between Denmark and England This is not a great loss.
However, if 10,000 Bantu emigrate to England and substitute for 10,000 English natives, the average Englishman loses the genetic equivalent of 10,854 children (or siblings).
And, of course, it works the opposite way as well: If 10,000 English emigrate to a Bantu territory and substitute for 10,000 Bantu natives, the average Bantu loses the equivalent of 10,854 children (or siblings).
This is a staggering loss. Small wonder that people tend to resist the immigration of others into their territory. At stake is an enormous family of close relatives. And history is replete with examples of displacement migration—for example, Europeans displacing Native Americans, Jews displacing Palestinians in Israel, Albanians displacing Serbs from Kosovo.
All of the losers in these struggles would have been better off genetically and every other way, if they had prevented the immigration of the group that eventually came to dominate the area.
Nevertheless, the big story of immigration since World War II is that wealthy Western societies, with economic opportunities and a high level of public goods such as medical care and education, have become magnets for immigration from around the world. Because of this immigration, and high fertility among many immigrant ethnic groups, the result is rapid displacement of the founding populations, not only in the United States, but also in Australia, Belgium, Canada, France, and The Netherlands, Germany and Italy.
If present trends continue, the United States’ founding European-derived population is set to become a minority by the middle of this century. In the British Isles, the submergence date is just two generations later, around 2100.
European populations that are allowing themselves to be displaced are playing a very dangerous game—dangerous because of the long history of ethnic strife furnishes them no guarantees about the future. Throughout history there has been a propensity for majority ethnic groups to oppress minorities. A glance at Jewish history is sufficient to make clear the dangers faced by an ethnic group that does not have a state and political apparatus to protect its interests.
It does not take an overactive imagination to see that how coalitions of minority groups could compromise the interests of formerly dominant European groups. We already see numerous examples where coalitions of minority groups attempt to influence public policy against the interests of the European majority—for example, "affirmative action" hiring quotas and immigration policy.
Besides coalitions of ethnic minorities, the main danger facing Europeans is that wealthy, powerful European elites are often unaware of, or do not value, their own ethnic interests. Frequently, they in effect sell out their own ethnic groups for short-run personal gain. There are many contemporary examples, most notably the efforts by major corporations to import low wage workers and outsource jobs to foreign countries.
Of course, these elite Westerners are the last to suffer personally from ethnic replacement. They are able to live in gated communities and send their children to private schools. They are intensely interested in obtaining wealth and power in order to promote the interests of their immediate family, or, sometimes, their social class. But they completely ignore their enormous family of ethnic kin.
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In the long run, globalism and multiculturalism are a threat to almost everyone’s ethnic interest because both ideologies actually legitimize and increase ethnic competition.
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it is difficult at best to ensure peaceful relations among ethnic groups. Even maintaining a status quo in territory and resource control is very arduous
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Yet the alternative—that all humans renounce their ethnic group loyalties—seems unrealistic and utopian.
Indeed, given that some ethnic groups, especially ones with high levels of ethnocentrism and mobilization, will undoubtedly continue to function as groups far into the foreseeable future, unilateral renunciation of ethnic loyalties by other groups means only their surrender and defeat and disappearance—the Darwinian dead end of extinction.
The future, then, like the past, will inevitably be a Darwinian competition. And ethnicity will play a crucial role.
Salter’s conclusion: the best way to preserve ethnic interests is to defend an ethnostate—a political unit that is explicitly intended to preserve the ethnic interests of its citizens. Promoting ethnostates is not only fair, it also serves the interests of most peoples. All existing nations are vulnerable to displacement by highly mobilized ethnic minorities, especially if the minorities have high fertility.
As Frank Salter argues, a far better solution is to acknowledge everyone’s right to live in a state dominated by their ethnic group.
This "universal nationalism" would allow people the right to live in an ethnostate that would protect their ethnic interests—and therefore, by extension, the genetic interests of the vast majority of the human race.
Kevin MacDonald is Professor of Psychology at California State University-Long Beach.
http://www.vdare.com/macdonald/041027_immigration.htm
There is also a theory I looked at at Uni (too long ago now to recall who developed it) that the culture of the original group of migrants to a land is adopted by subsequent migrants. So in Australia, people of diverse ethnic backgrounds (Indian, Sri Lankan, Chinese, Vietnamese, Italian, Greek, etc) adopt the local culture and become Aussies.
Most people settling in Australia want to be Australians.
I expect something much the same in the USA.
However I think that if there is a very very large inflow of people, the old existing culture may be swamped by the masses. That is not an issue here, IMO.
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I could honestly care less whether a majority of United States citizens is European. My only concern is people who are interesting in integrating into the United States and maintaining the constitutional republic that has existed for over two hundred years (this doesn't bar "changing with the times," of course). If those citizens can from Nigeria, or Columbia, or Vietnam rather then Great Britain, France, and Scandinavia then so be it.
I agree with jim here. The ethnic background of the US, or any other country for that matter, doesn't count much on its own. Really, there are greater genetic differences within races than there are between races so the whole genetic self-interest argument does not seem to hold much water in my eyes. As well, the "racial" interests of members of the native populations does not seem to be something that governments should really account for anyway, it is not the job of the government to oversee the genetic make-up of the people in order to abnormally favor certain genes, but rather to oversee the health of the nation. As well, I doubt that racial self-interest is as natural of a force as the author seems to claim given that a lot of racial antipathy is more cultural than it is natural. I reject the author's premises on race and most certainly his conclusions.
I'm not sure about that, unless you're talking about a situation where there's been lots of interbreeding. I suppose, too, that it depends on how you define "difference", and where you draw the line between races. I'd hazard a guess that there are differences between, say, sub-Saharan Africans and native Americans, that are quite genetically significant compared to those that exist within a relatively isolated population of each of those racial groups. Prior to modern methods of transport being invented those two populations had been separated for tens of thousands of years.
"Finally, geneticist Richard Lewontin, observing that 85 percent of human variation occurs within populations, and not between populations, argued that neither "race" nor "subspecies" was an appropriate or useful way to describe populations"
from wiki.
Except that borders are necessary in a world where distinction and controls are necessary. As the world currently stands, borders cannot be eliminated. You may disavow your Canadianism, and your Buddhism but that does not mean that those do not exist.
from wiki.
Steve Sailer, in his article "Seven dumb ideas about race" wrote
Let's review some of the major myths about race.
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"Most variation is within racial groups, not between racial groups. Two members of the same race are likely to differ from each other more than the average member of their race differs from the average member of another race."
Sure, but so what? No single human category can account for a majority of all the many ways humans differ from each other. Try substituting other categories like "age:" "Most variation is within age groups, not between age groups." Yup, that's true, too. But, it doesn't mean that Age Does Not Exist.
You often hear that between-group racial differences only account for 15% of genetic variation. This number comes from a 1972 study by Richard Lewontin of 17 blood types, comparing variation between continental-scale races and between national-scale racial groups (e.g., Swedes vs. Italians). Now, blood types are, I suppose, important, but they hardly represent all we want to know about human genetic diversity. Certain other traits are known to be more racially determined -- the figure for skin color, not surprisingly, is 60%. What the overall number is for all the important genes remains unknown.
http://www.vdare.com/sailer/cavalli-sforza_ii.htm
"Finally, geneticist Richard Lewontin, observing that 85 percent of human variation occurs within populations, and not between populations, argued that neither "race" nor "subspecies" was an appropriate or useful way to describe populations"
from wiki.
You might be interested to read the whole page at Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race
Anyway, codarac has also made a good point in relation to that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race
Anyway, codarac has also made a good point in relation to that.
I did read the wiki, it also states how most sciences are ignoring race more and more as a variable, not only that but human variation is less than other species of mammal, so for us to seek division based upon that is well... stupid. The only thing is that I do not support this point. One, the government does not have the job of controlling the genetics of the governed. Two, racial self-interest is hardly a policy that the majority of the population supports anyway and most people would rather claim to not have this. Three, a step towards these ideas would be a loss in intellectual integrity in the eyes of other nations, racism is clearly something that no nation would have us back up.
In some length the Wikipedia page outlines the scientific debate over the concept of race, and reports the opinions of various academics with regard to linking genetic factors and the popular concept of race. There clearly are genetic differences between geographically separated populations: these are measurable and can be used to identify the geographical origin of a person's ancestors. Incidentally, genetics is also being used to study where modern humans originated, and I think the current favourite is sub-saharan Africa. I believe, ironically, that this can be inferred from analysis of mutations in mtDNA — the larger differences within the African population, compared to others, points to there having been a longer period for the mutations to occur. But remember that mtDNA is only one of two types of DNA and is not affected by natural selection. Perhaps semantics are confusing our interpretation of each other's view: the words "race" and "differences" sometimes imply more than we mean?
Going back to the natural selection line of thinking, as I said earlier, Sub-saharan Africans and native Americans have been separated for well over ten thousand years (prior to modern transport). As it's widely accepted that isolation of a particular part of a population (any species), and it's exposure to different selective forces can result in the development of a new species, and that that process is widely accepted to be genetically controlled, then it stands to reason that it would not be unexpected to see some genetic features that distinguished between the two human populations in question. It doesn't prove that there are, but it stands to reason that there might be. Moreover, those two populations are considered two distinct races that can be differentiated by their physical appearance. In fact, these populations actually can be distinguished by genetic factors; does that not prove the point that race is a valid concept?
If we drop the word "race" would you agree about the genetics stuff, and its usefulness?
This is dangerous talk that has no place in any society I wish to live in. You're suggesting ignoring scientific research in favour of the politically-engineered popular-opinion of the ignorant? Ignoring racial differences, and the innate prejudices that exist outlined at the start of this thread, will just end in blood shed, if not civil war.
Perhaps I am being a bit too ideological on the racial issue. There are some genetic differences, but not any significant enough to really be of any interest to us our negatively impact anything.
They only exist in an 'idea' form and do not physically exist. The resulting problems that derive from borders causes a great deal of damage and frustration. Yes, removing the borders "tomorrow" would lead to chaos but chaos is a requirement for change. As well, if we dont do something now, then when will we? It's easy to sit inside in our comfy chairs talking about how we cannot change while poor people in poor countries die by the thousands, if not millions. Then some people comfort themselves by saying the 'world is over populated' - well that number isn't going down, so, starving people to death isn't fixing that.
I agree that borders offer control, but the problem isnt the countries themselves, its the individuals LIVING within those borders. They 'limit' themselves by those borders. They define themselves with those borders. I'm not constrained by borders. Yes, many people are, but that doesn't make it right.
They do not exist to me - as John Lennon said - Imagine
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