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LennytheWicked
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16 Oct 2012, 2:48 pm

So, I found a page on Deviantart, and I don't quite feel right linking it in case some of us can't control ourselves...but the owner of the account made a comic about the whole PBS-Funding controversy which attacked Obama.

That's not what bothers me.

I mentioned that PBS is probably the least-biased newstation in this country [we watch it whenever we're getting false information from other stations, as with the Chicago teacher's strike]. I also added, "Unless you're one of those "reality has a liberal bias" people."

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Liberal bias is your reality if you think PBS is not hard left.


I'm at a loss.

I really have no idea how anyone could think that.

He also called everyone who disagreed with him a hippie by the end of the conversation.



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16 Oct 2012, 4:42 pm

He's an arse. Ignore him. He wants you to engage in a discussion - eventually you'll get fed up with his BS and he'll chalk it up as a win.



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16 Oct 2012, 4:44 pm

Thom_Fuleri wrote:
He's an arse. Ignore him. He wants you to engage in a discussion - eventually you'll get fed up with his BS and he'll chalk it up as a win.


In other words, a troll.



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16 Oct 2012, 5:13 pm

PBS is certainly less bias for the most part compared to the other network and cable news channels but isn't immune to it either. It shouldn't receive public funding regardless.

You have to take all news you get with a grain of salt and filter thru the BS, everyone has an agenda. I get 99% of my news from the internet.



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16 Oct 2012, 7:10 pm

In general, I find PBS unbiased and am a big fan of it.
However, I did once see a PBS discussion panel about abortion. There were four women on the panel, and as I listened to them speak I realized all four were pro-choice. What kind of panel represents only one view on a subject, especially when the subject is as controversial as abortion? It felt like thinly-veiled propaganda. :?



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16 Oct 2012, 9:29 pm

YippySkippy wrote:
In general, I find PBS unbiased and am a big fan of it.
However, I did once see a PBS discussion panel about abortion. There were four women on the panel, and as I listened to them speak I realized all four were pro-choice. What kind of panel represents only one view on a subject, especially when the subject is as controversial as abortion? It felt like thinly-veiled propaganda. :?


The idea that there are two equal sides to every argument is a concept unique to America in it's stupidity.
"Panels" usually aren't "debates"-
if you want to hear some anti-choice crazy, there are places for that.

Richard Dawkins famously refuses to debate creationists because he says at some level,
it lends credit to the idea that magical gookery is a fitting challenge to evolutionary biology.


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16 Oct 2012, 9:32 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
YippySkippy wrote:
In general, I find PBS unbiased and am a big fan of it.
However, I did once see a PBS discussion panel about abortion. There were four women on the panel, and as I listened to them speak I realized all four were pro-choice. What kind of panel represents only one view on a subject, especially when the subject is as controversial as abortion? It felt like thinly-veiled propaganda. :?


The idea that there are two equal sides to every argument is a uniquely American concept.
"Panels" usually aren't "debates"-
if you want to hear some anti-choice crazy, there are places for that.


Logically speaking every proposition has a denial and (possibly) several contraries.

This goes all the way back to Aristotle and has nothing to do with being American

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16 Oct 2012, 9:33 pm

ruveyn wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
YippySkippy wrote:
In general, I find PBS unbiased and am a big fan of it.
However, I did once see a PBS discussion panel about abortion. There were four women on the panel, and as I listened to them speak I realized all four were pro-choice. What kind of panel represents only one view on a subject, especially when the subject is as controversial as abortion? It felt like thinly-veiled propaganda. :?


The idea that there are two equal sides to every argument is a uniquely American concept.
"Panels" usually aren't "debates"-
if you want to hear some anti-choice crazy, there are places for that.


Logically speaking every proposition has a denial and (possibly) several contraries.

This goes all the way back to Aristotle and has nothing to do with being American

ruveyn


That doesn't mean they're logically-sound, or drawing on facts in their premises.


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16 Oct 2012, 10:04 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
YippySkippy wrote:
In general, I find PBS unbiased and am a big fan of it.
However, I did once see a PBS discussion panel about abortion. There were four women on the panel, and as I listened to them speak I realized all four were pro-choice. What kind of panel represents only one view on a subject, especially when the subject is as controversial as abortion? It felt like thinly-veiled propaganda. :?


The idea that there are two equal sides to every argument is a concept unique to America in it's stupidity.
"Panels" usually aren't "debates"-
if you want to hear some anti-choice crazy, there are places for that.

Richard Dawkins famously refuses to debate creationists because he says at some level,
it lends credit to the idea that magical gookery is a fitting challenge to evolutionary biology.


Who is it that decides which side of an opinion(as if there is only two positions a person can have on an issue) is superior?

I've seen you complain on here that 'asexual' positions aren't respected or acknowledged. Obviously you don't feel that position is less than worthy and I don't even want post the characterizations that are made of people that hold this position.

I suppose you would agree if your positions were deemed correct that isn't any reason for debate, unfortunately that isn't reality.



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16 Oct 2012, 10:33 pm

Jacoby wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
YippySkippy wrote:
In general, I find PBS unbiased and am a big fan of it.
However, I did once see a PBS discussion panel about abortion. There were four women on the panel, and as I listened to them speak I realized all four were pro-choice. What kind of panel represents only one view on a subject, especially when the subject is as controversial as abortion? It felt like thinly-veiled propaganda. :?


The idea that there are two equal sides to every argument is a concept unique to America in it's stupidity.
"Panels" usually aren't "debates"-
if you want to hear some anti-choice crazy, there are places for that.

Richard Dawkins famously refuses to debate creationists because he says at some level,
it lends credit to the idea that magical gookery is a fitting challenge to evolutionary biology.


Who is it that decides which side of an opinion(as if there is only two positions a person can have on an issue) is superior?

I've seen you complain on here that 'asexual' positions aren't respected or acknowledged. Obviously you don't feel that position is less than worthy and I don't even want post the characterizations that are made of people that hold this position.

I suppose you would agree if your positions were deemed correct that isn't any reason for debate, unfortunately that isn't reality.


Fail.

I doubt the subject of the panel was an "opinion" at all.
All we know is it was "on abortion".
Was it about the the relationship between abortion and poverty?
Was it about ever-decreasing access to abortion and the implications for low-income women?
Was it about abortion as related to educational attainment and women's health?

The only time I'd expect to see "two sides" is when the topic is actually a point of contention in the first place.


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17 Oct 2012, 7:55 am

Jacoby wrote:

I've seen you complain on here that 'asexual' positions aren't respected or acknowledged. .


In "asexual positions" is the man on top or is the woman on top? And who does what to whom?

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17 Oct 2012, 11:30 am

ruveyn wrote:
Jacoby wrote:

I've seen you complain on here that 'asexual' positions aren't respected or acknowledged. .


In "asexual positions" is the man on top or is the woman on top? And who does what to whom?

ruveyn


Pansexual positions are the really weird ones, and it takes ages to scrub the cookware clean again.



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17 Oct 2012, 5:10 pm

http://asdaqua.com/2012/06/09/how-bias- ... ws-outlet/

Tim Groseclose gave PBS Newshour one of the most moderate scores in its assessments of news outlets. Most people disagree with Groseclose method of assigning "political quotients" but whatever.

PBS Newshour, one of my top sources for news, PBS is not hard left or anything, but the values embraced and shared by its some of its programming communicate left-leaning virtue, concerns, and values in its children programs, some of the approaches of its scientific programing and the assertions made, and certainly bill moyers show, david brancaccio, where is the conservative equivalent in "framing" the issues presented on that network?

That aside... I still like PBS, I just wish there were conservative values also imbued in its children programing, and alternatives to Bill Moyers & David Brancaccio's NOW series.


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17 Oct 2012, 7:20 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Jacoby wrote:

I've seen you complain on here that 'asexual' positions aren't respected or acknowledged. .


In "asexual positions" is the man on top or is the woman on top? And who does what to whom?

ruveyn

An asexual couple would sit on the couch drinking coffee instead of having sex.

Because asexual people have no sex drive.



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17 Oct 2012, 7:25 pm

LennytheWicked wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Jacoby wrote:

I've seen you complain on here that 'asexual' positions aren't respected or acknowledged. .


In "asexual positions" is the man on top or is the woman on top? And who does what to whom?

ruveyn

An asexual couple would sit on the couch drinking coffee instead of having sex.

Because asexual people have no sex drive.

You're thinking of Hypoactive Sexual Desire Disorder, I'll bet.

Asexual people have no sexual attraction.

But yes, the coffee analogy is great. :)


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18 Oct 2012, 4:50 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
LennytheWicked wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Jacoby wrote:

I've seen you complain on here that 'asexual' positions aren't respected or acknowledged. .


In "asexual positions" is the man on top or is the woman on top? And who does what to whom?

ruveyn

An asexual couple would sit on the couch drinking coffee instead of having sex.

Because asexual people have no sex drive.

You're thinking of Hypoactive Sexual Desire Disorder, I'll bet.

Asexual people have no sexual attraction.

But yes, the coffee analogy is great. :)

I would assume that people with no sexual attraction also have no sex drive. :I

I've been calling myself asexual because I have neither.