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21 Oct 2012, 11:46 pm

http://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/2012/05/23/the-u-s-ranks-3rd-in-liking-the-united-states/

Aint that a shame? :lol:


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21 Oct 2012, 11:57 pm

75% of the French like Americans? Calling bogus on that study.


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22 Oct 2012, 12:08 am

France isn't the surprise on that chart, Germany and Spain, however, are. Especially through the Bush years, we were barely pushing the upper 30's through the lower 40's, and even Pre-bush those two didn't peak the lower 50's very often. I think the Europeans view of America will drop if administration gets swapped out for a GOP, and even if America comes roaring back, and the Europe becomes stable, those two will still drop. Whats up with Turkey? That is worrisome that they are that low on the list.


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22 Oct 2012, 1:11 am

MarketAndChurch wrote:
France isn't the surprise on that chart, Germany and Spain, however, are. Especially through the Bush years, we were barely pushing the upper 30's through the lower 40's, and even Pre-bush those two didn't peak the lower 50's very often. I think the Europeans view of America will drop if administration gets swapped out for a GOP, and even if America comes roaring back, and the Europe becomes stable, those two will still drop. Whats up with Turkey? That is worrisome that they are that low on the list.


our two 'allies' Turkey and Egypt hate our guts

I imagine we have higher approval in Iran than we do there



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22 Oct 2012, 1:37 am

Jacoby wrote:
MarketAndChurch wrote:
France isn't the surprise on that chart, Germany and Spain, however, are. Especially through the Bush years, we were barely pushing the upper 30's through the lower 40's, and even Pre-bush those two didn't peak the lower 50's very often. I think the Europeans view of America will drop if administration gets swapped out for a GOP, and even if America comes roaring back, and the Europe becomes stable, those two will still drop. Whats up with Turkey? That is worrisome that they are that low on the list.


our two 'allies' Turkey and Egypt hate our guts

I imagine we have higher approval in Iran than we do there


And I'm not too happy about that, or the rout it has taken in recent years in lowering itself to be on par with others in the middle east, instead of being a secular catalyst for change.

Iran is a beautiful country with beautiful people who need our help in toppling the regime. The president needs to do a better job of isolating leaders and going after them, and not pussyfoot the issue, where was he when the free peoples of Iran took to the streets, its embarrassing, where was he on Libya? Awaiting UN consensus?


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22 Oct 2012, 2:08 am

We can't be a catalyst for change, we can't control people of other countries. The Iranians have the government that they have now in spite of how modern of a society they were/are because our meddling in their affairs. The Taliban came to rule in Afghanistan because our meddling. There is so many examples of this blowback.

Also, our noble cause a lot of the time in the middle east has less to do with the promotion of free and liberal democracy but more to do with our 'strategic interests' as well. You're willing to work with some rather despicable people to accomplish these hidden agendas. We talk about how bad Assad and Gaddafi are but turn a blind eye to the violence that went on in Bahrain and the intervention of that the other Arab state took AGAINST the protesters in that country.

The Arab Spring shouldn't be looked upon as some brilliant awakening and missed opportunity, it's not that despite the wishes of some. It was simply the chickens coming home to roost of the wests meddling in the middle east for the last 100 years. Many people have died and many more will surely will follow.



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22 Oct 2012, 2:23 am

You would figure they would add Germany Canada Australia South Korea Sweden Taiwan and the Philipines on there those people also love America.


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22 Oct 2012, 2:26 am

Jacoby wrote:
We can't be a catalyst for change, we can't control people of other countries. The Iranians have the government that they have now in spite of how modern of a society they were/are because our meddling in their affairs. The Taliban came to rule in Afghanistan because our meddling. There is so many examples of this blowback.

Also, our noble cause a lot of the time in the middle east has less to do with the promotion of free and liberal democracy but more to do with our 'strategic interests' as well. You're willing to work with some rather despicable people to accomplish these hidden agendas. We talk about how bad Assad and Gaddafi are but turn a blind eye to the violence that went on in Bahrain and the intervention of that the other Arab state took AGAINST the protesters in that country.

The Arab Spring shouldn't be looked upon as some brilliant awakening and missed opportunity, it's not that despite the wishes of some. It was simply the chickens coming home to roost of the wests meddling in the middle east for the last 100 years. Many people have died and many more will surely will follow.


There are examples of blowbacks but they pale in comparisons to the number of successes. The world we have today is the world we made. Look at all of Europe, including Eastern Europe. You have America as the architect of this new world we live in, and frankly, the protector of this order. Look at all of Asia... What keeps China from ruling the south China sea? What keeps everyone from going to war with each other.

The "system" is rigged to our liking, and 4 billion people have arisen out of poverty. You can cite Vietnam, and I'll cite South Korea. Is Iran more a failure then Germany is a success? When with just a few minor changes, Iran too can join the international community and see their standard of living rise? Failure is not an option when both Vietnam and South Korea are possibilities. Especially when you consider how many have died when we left the situation, as opposed to how many were saved as a result of our staying to provide stability, and where their standard of living is now in 2012. The contrast is stark.

Can you name which companies are most benefiting from Iraq's oil fields? And what were our material interests in every one of our intervention pre-Iraq? Who runs Kuwaits oil fields? What was there in Vietnam? South Korea? Germany? Kosovo? Sudan? When everyone is proselytizing their own ideal, if you believe in the superiority of your own, you need to do so as well. The Chinese are doing so, so are the Swedes.


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22 Oct 2012, 2:46 am

successes in solving problems you help create in the first place



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22 Oct 2012, 9:03 am

Suppose we did the poll the other way (i.e., what Americans think of these various countries). Most Americans won't have heard of these countries.



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22 Oct 2012, 9:25 am

The more Islamic extremists target European countries, the more those countries will "like" America.
Didn't France recently deal with an Islamic mass murderer or two?



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22 Oct 2012, 10:10 am

blackelk wrote:
75% of the French like Americans? Calling bogus on that study.

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22 Oct 2012, 11:23 am

Well, its at least a sign that we aren't too conceited. I need to try to like Japan back more than they like their selves.



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22 Oct 2012, 11:25 am

blackelk wrote:
75% of the French like Americans? Calling bogus on that study.


Well, we are revolutionary brothers, so there shouldn't be too much difference.



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22 Oct 2012, 3:38 pm

JNathanK wrote:
blackelk wrote:
75% of the French like Americans? Calling bogus on that study.


Well, we are revolutionary brothers, so there shouldn't be too much difference.
I still call French fries French fries while other Americans call them Freedom fries.


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22 Oct 2012, 4:54 pm

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I still call French fries French fries while other Americans call them Freedom fries.


People still do that??
I call them "chips" due to the influence of my Irish husband. But I never picked up the habit of calling potato chips "crisps", so I call both things by the same name. :D Now nobody knows what the heck I'm talking about.