Jacoby wrote:
We can't be a catalyst for change, we can't control people of other countries. The Iranians have the government that they have now in spite of how modern of a society they were/are because our meddling in their affairs. The Taliban came to rule in Afghanistan because our meddling. There is so many examples of this blowback.
Also, our noble cause a lot of the time in the middle east has less to do with the promotion of free and liberal democracy but more to do with our 'strategic interests' as well. You're willing to work with some rather despicable people to accomplish these hidden agendas. We talk about how bad Assad and Gaddafi are but turn a blind eye to the violence that went on in Bahrain and the intervention of that the other Arab state took AGAINST the protesters in that country.
The Arab Spring shouldn't be looked upon as some brilliant awakening and missed opportunity, it's not that despite the wishes of some. It was simply the chickens coming home to roost of the wests meddling in the middle east for the last 100 years. Many people have died and many more will surely will follow.
There are examples of blowbacks but they pale in comparisons to the number of successes. The world we have today is the world we made. Look at all of Europe, including Eastern Europe. You have America as the architect of this new world we live in, and frankly, the protector of this order. Look at all of Asia... What keeps China from ruling the south China sea? What keeps everyone from going to war with each other.
The "system" is rigged to our liking, and 4 billion people have arisen out of poverty. You can cite Vietnam, and I'll cite South Korea. Is Iran more a failure then Germany is a success? When with just a few minor changes, Iran too can join the international community and see their standard of living rise? Failure is not an option when both Vietnam and South Korea are possibilities. Especially when you consider how many have died when we left the situation, as opposed to how many were saved as a result of our staying to provide stability, and where their standard of living is now in 2012. The contrast is stark.
Can you name which companies are most benefiting from Iraq's oil fields? And what were our material interests in every one of our intervention pre-Iraq? Who runs Kuwaits oil fields? What was there in Vietnam? South Korea? Germany? Kosovo? Sudan? When everyone is proselytizing their own ideal, if you believe in the superiority of your own, you need to do so as well. The Chinese are doing so, so are the Swedes.
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