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Just want to get it out of my system. The "Innocence of Muslims" documentary is one of the most stupid movies ever done. It is full of hate and whatever.

However, it is much, much more grating to me that more effort is spent in criticizing the stupid authors of an idiotic "movie" with terrible production values. Rather than criticizing the violent, crazy, irrational, unjustified reactions to it. Don't like a movie? Don't watch it. Feel insulted? Demand an apology. Feel insulted and are a child? Insult back. But what the hell is up with going on and killing people for it? Seriously, get a life. These angry Muslims give Islam a bad name and what they deserve is jail. They don't deserve us to censor the stupid movie. It is just a stupid movie.

I mostly agree, however people have no right not to be offended. They're perfectly within their rights to feel oppressed, insulted, blah blah blah, but we believe in free speech. They'd do an awful lot better simply ignoring it or, hell, perhaps even doing what Jews and Christians do and play them at their own game. Problem is, Islam totally prohibits that on threat of death.

The best thing that Islam can do, really, is to sit back and start to laugh at themselves. Some Muslims already do this and think it's insane as the rest of us.

I've seen parts of the movie - it looks absolutely pitiful in every sense. If anything, Muslims should be offended that the attempted hatchet job on their, erm, beliefs is so poorly thought out.

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We are not allowed to criticize the violent rioting and unjustified rioting because that would make us "racists" and "islamophobes". Same goes for criticizing the murder of 13 people in the American Embassy in Libya or condemning the act of bombing a bus in Afghanistan full of people.

Islamophobia does not exist.

Or the killing of at least thirteen people in Pakistan just a day or so ago when thousands of protesters went berserk, torching a cinema, rioting and looting shops and restaurants - you know, parts of civilisation.

Hatred of Muslims simply for being Muslims does exist. There's a lot of hate of fellow Muslims even inside Islam, though.
Islamophobia doesn't exist. It's a term used to stifle legitimate (and badly needed) comment and criticism on Islam. Non-believers, women and gays have very good reason to fear Islam.

A phobia (by the power of my Wiki-Fu) is defined as:
"a persistent fear of an object or situation in which the sufferer commits to great lengths in avoiding, typically disproportional to the actual danger posed, often being recognized as irrational."

Obviously, the words "phobia" and "Islam" are impossible to combine in any meaningful way within the framework of this definition...

Or the murders of over 3000 people at the hands of 19 Muslim extremists 11 years ago -- just mentioning this blatant act of terror makes me out to be a reactionary islamophobe and a complete racist (not to mention a godless infidel).

Every time someone calls you an "Islamophobe", you should provide them with a list of Islamic atrocities from just the past week or so. All of which will have been commissioned in the name of Allah, backed up by the Holy Quran.

The best stigmatisers of Islam on the planet are, you guessed it, violent, religiously-obsessed jihadists.

The riots in sydney were disgusting as well as the stupid woman who took a photo of her child holding up that sign and then she said she didn't know what "Beheading" meant.

Oh, lovely. Another discussion on Islam where everyone generalizes, exaggerates and turns a blind eye from other religions. Lets make somethings straight here; Islam is an Abrahamic religion (meaning it's strikingly similar to its brothers Christianity and Judaism) and it is composed over a billion people spanning across the globe. The people who have done atrocities are a minority and are extremists. The problem is not Islam, it never has been Islam and it has never been Muslims in general. "B-b-but the Quran says...!" The Quran says a lot of things, just like the Christian bible. Who do you know follows the Christian bible 100%? I bet everyone here who has posted here wears polyester, something that is against the rules in the Christian bible. The Christian bible also okays slavery, incest, murder, treating women like second hand citizens. "But Christians don't do any of those things!" Neither does the Muslims located right here in the US. For every example you bring up about a Muslim doing an evil act, I can find a Christian doing an evil act. To deny it, would be to deny reality. Unfortunately, I do not have the charisma to convince someone to throw away their fantasy world where American Christians are white knights out to save the day from the evil Muslims out to destroy the world. All I can ask from you is to look at the facts, do your research before making such hateful statements and realize that there are people out there who profit from your irrational hate.

"B-b-but Christians don't do terrorism!" Oh, yes, they do. Atrocities are committed by Christians every day. The media just doesn't care and doesn't tell you because they make more money from sensationalism than actual news. If you can't trust them to be impartial about US politics, how are you trusting them to be truthful about the atrocities committed by ALL RELIGIONS?

BS and you know it. No one has called you an islamophobe for saying SOME Muslims did an evil act. They're a large group of people and in every large group of people you have your extremeists just like Christianity. Now, if you're saying ALL Muslims are evil, then yes, you're an Islamophobe. If you assume someone is Muslim for the color of their skin, then yes, you're a racist. They're two completely irrational statements.

I close with this: Libyans Storm Militia In Backlash of US Attack. Clearly not all Muslims share the same beliefs as al-Qaeda, who planned the attacks, and the Taliban.

EDIT: Forgot to underline a link

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You weren't there. People have done just that when I've spoken to them in person.

Why are you sympathizing with Jihadists? Are you also a collaborator?

A totally unacceptably large minority of young Muslims in the UK do sympathise with and share the beliefs of al-Qaeda as has been shown in poll after poll. Some of these polls are actually carried out by Muslim organisations themselves like an Islamic student organisation that actually has terrorists in its alumni!

People are stupid. Muslims as well. The question is how to fix this problem without making the world worse, without making it something that we don't want it to be. In accordance to objective measures that I believe we can agree on, and that I believe we should share. Muslims are our responsibility as well.

Did you know that December 2, 2012 marks the 70th anniversary of the first man-made, controlled nuclear fission reaction?

I think we should commemorate the anniversary with lots of fireworks ... I'm sure that American ingenuity can come up with something far more impressive than anything the Iraqi's could possibly produce ... something that will have people glowing about it for thousands of years ...

True, I wasn't there, but I still call your bluff. I know of no one who throws around words like "Islamophobe" so readily and if you have been called one just for saying something happened, then you're not. But yet, here we are. You also said in another thread, "I'd like to see more such trailers. I'd especially like to see more videos and full-length movies that expose Islam for what it is - a bigoted, ignorant, hate-filled cult of violence." That's an islamophobic comment.

No, I'm just a realist, who sees average Muslim Americans, and those who look Middle Eastern such as the Sikh, being scorned for their beliefs. Mosque's being burned, Muslims being attacked and law-abiding citizens being actively hunted by our tax-paid police officers. I am against all forms of discrimination and prejudice. Blind hate of a religion, as shown in this thread, other threads and among other Americans, leads to the events like the ones I linked. Innocent people get hurt and that's not okay in my book.



I don't deny those numbers and recall they were about 30%. I am defending the 70% of that youth who don't. I am defending the vast majority of Muslims who do not support al-Qaeda. In fact, al-Qaeda as been actively targeting those Muslims because they don't support their radical ideals. They hate them so much, that they kill them at a rate that makes Muslims the most targeted demographic for terrorism in the world (do a ctrl + F, it's the first result).

Is it fair to call Islam evil and Christianity good? Especially given Christianity's violence. Is it fair to call a billion people evil for the actions and opinions of a few? Those same people who are actively hunted by those few? No, it's not. Such prejudice and blind hatred is below us.