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12 Dec 2006, 5:42 pm

Is it probable the meaning of life is 'nothing.'

Let me explain - animals that make it near the top of the food chain (and therefore, have the time) lay down and relax and do nothing. Not many species can afford the time to drop all their senses and relax, bask in the moment. Most cannot because that would be a great time to be pounced on.

So, no animal really has the opportunity to 'live in the present' since they must worry about the future (either being eaten or being able to kill something TO eat).

Essentially, meditation allows the best opportunity to 'clear ones mind' (from worry, normally from 'future' or past happenings) and live in 'the now' which, asides from the time thread, is the only thing that truely exists (in time speak) and should, essentially, be the only thing people focus on (but they dont via bills, work, other people, etc a lot of stress).

Would it be possible that the meaning of life is to achieve a state of 'nothingness?' A 'clear' mind, if you will.

I dont necessarily believe this, just a thought



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12 Dec 2006, 6:03 pm

Sounds good to me. I liked the line "Null and Void" in the movie "Ray".

http://www.tsl.pomona.edu/index.php?article=395

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When Ray first asks to do heroin, his friend says that “it will make you feel null and void,” to which Ray replies “My life is null and void.” This aspect of Ray’s life shows that while the American dream is attainable, growing up black and blind in the 1930’s south takes an inevitable emotional toll. It is unfortunate that our society offers few alternative outlets other than drugs



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12 Dec 2006, 10:07 pm

"Then I will tell you a great secret. Perhaps the greatest of all time. The molecules of your body are the same molecules that make up this planet and the nebula outside, that burn inside the stars themselves. We are starstuff, we are the universe made manifest, trying to figure itself out. "

JMS quote.

Just thought i'd throw that out as i'd always liked the idea.

ps:- Enlightenment is supposedly based upon being able to live in "the now". I don't know alot about buddhism but it sounds similar too your idea.



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12 Dec 2006, 10:24 pm

The meaning of life is what you make of it.

A quote from me.


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13 Dec 2006, 7:55 am

It's Fate that brought us here.

If that planet didn't smack into us 4 billion years ago, we wouldn't be here.



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14 Dec 2006, 9:31 am

i think that we have to deal with the 'nothingness' by creating meanings for life..

ala...all 7 billion of us get on the net...get stoned and have a big pow wow....and go...

ok...preserving the planet...that can be a meaning

um....a collective crack at finding other life....that can be a meaning...

giving everyone the means to enjoy their time on earth instead of making it a drag...

could go on all day....im sure if we took on the role of creators....we could think up a million meanings of life



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14 Dec 2006, 1:55 pm

We could 'become' creators over the course of time. However, when we've created everything and experienced everything, then the only thing left is death. At this point, the meaning of life is death. The meaning now can also be death



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14 Dec 2006, 3:35 pm

Why not let meaning be progress and strength? That way, humanity will master something, and will grow and control more even as various worlds die. Nothingness can be a meaning, but what does individual nothingness ever do? Besides, why should potential be continually wasted by a pursuit of nothingness? We were given great potential and to throw it away as such seems to be utter waste. Preserving the earth is meaningless, the world will die somehow in its own way no matter what we do. Not only that but the earth is just a tool of ours anyway, why should we give it any inherent value? Finding other life is too difficult. At least attempts at all the previous will bear fruit, but attempts to find life will end up failing and this will just disappoint. We should be creators, creators of progress, of knowledge and masters over our reality. That has been our forte to this point, why not let it be our purpose?



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14 Dec 2006, 3:47 pm

I don't think its valid to compare humans to animals. Animals act by instincts and therefore don't have much of a choice. When they have nothing to do, they relax because they don't have the intelligence do do anything else. Nor are they able to think outside their instincts of basic survival and procreation. Thats probably why they lay down until they become hungry again, or an opportunity to mate presents itself.
Humans have a conciousness greater than animals. Thats why animals don't have politics, tonal music, philosophy etc...

The meaning of life is whatever you wish it to be. I don't think there is a general meaning for every human. That would make life rather boring.



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14 Dec 2006, 4:59 pm

Humans rose from the primordial soup so they could create nonbiodegradable plastic. The earth can now co-exist with its nonbiodegradable plastic that was begotten from materials from the earth after discarding us like a bunch of fleas. n_n

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We're physically inferior to other creatures in almost every aspect, and in spite of popular belief, there's really no evidence that shows that we are the most intelligent form of life on the planet (how do you even define intelligent?). We're not even the dominant form of life on the planet, after bugs and microbes... Like elephants have huge brain capacity and display complex behaviours like mourning their dead. Some great apes are able to put sequences of numbers in order faster than a human can. Whale's sing complex songs that last for hours without ever repeating, then remember the whole thing and sing it again note for note years later. Many creatures have language, create tools, construct buildings, teach their children, have nurseries, have complex social groups, work in teams, wage wars, get high, and even take the p**s out of their mates. Physically, we're based on the same basic ideas as all mammals. Biochemically we're all but identical. To say that we are somehow different or above other creatures is completely irrational.



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14 Dec 2006, 5:29 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Why not let meaning be progress and strength? That way, humanity will master something, and will grow and control more even as various worlds die. Nothingness can be a meaning, but what does individual nothingness ever do? Besides, why should potential be continually wasted by a pursuit of nothingness? We were given great potential and to throw it away as such seems to be utter waste. Preserving the earth is meaningless, the world will die somehow in its own way no matter what we do. Not only that but the earth is just a tool of ours anyway, why should we give it any inherent value? Finding other life is too difficult. At least attempts at all the previous will bear fruit, but attempts to find life will end up failing and this will just disappoint. We should be creators, creators of progress, of knowledge and masters over our reality. That has been our forte to this point, why not let it be our purpose?


Nothingness is not a waste. Its quite peaceful, actually, and enlightening.

As for progress and strength; then what? You achieve it then what? More? Then what? More - see, its just a loop, always more progression, always more power - if there is an end (and there probably is) then what?



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14 Dec 2006, 8:05 pm

Corvus wrote:
Nothingness is not a waste. Its quite peaceful, actually, and enlightening.

As for progress and strength; then what? You achieve it then what? More? Then what? More - see, its just a loop, always more progression, always more power - if there is an end (and there probably is) then what?

Nothingness is a waste, it is a waste of potential action. Peace is meaningless in a world defined by conflict as well, enlightenment is not something that can be suitably measured, however, from all of my experiences I distrust meditation and prefer purposeful thought.

Exactly, it is a goal that one can strive for but never attain. Nothingness is the same, one can never actually become nothing. The only thing is that my drive provides something useful for the world and changes it, yours just has people sit around in their rooms all day doing nothing, creating nothing, striving for nothing, and ultimately being nothing. It is a waste of potential to have beings who can do something great and change the fabric of society instead directing their focus on nothing for its own sake. Changing the world is something.



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14 Dec 2006, 11:12 pm

Ya, I'm not in a state of meditation all day, fyi.

Besides, you're advancing society - why?



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14 Dec 2006, 11:41 pm

Corvus wrote:
Ya, I'm not in a state of meditation all day, fyi.

Besides, you're advancing society - why?

Obviously not.

Why anything? The whole quest for a meaning to life is fruitless, but at least my idea provides a good distraction and provides individuals a way to express their desires onto the world, change and remake their existences, and promote the good of others.



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15 Dec 2006, 3:45 am

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15 Dec 2006, 8:52 am

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@Revanant
We're physically inferior to other creatures in almost every aspect, and in spite of popular belief, there's really no evidence that shows that we are the most intelligent form of life on the planet (how do you even define intelligent?). We're not even the dominant form of life on the planet, after bugs and microbes... Like elephants have huge brain capacity and display complex behaviours like mourning their dead. Some great apes are able to put sequences of numbers in order faster than a human can. Whale's sing complex songs that last for hours without ever repeating, then remember the whole thing and sing it again note for note years later. Many creatures have language, create tools, construct buildings, teach their children, have nurseries, have complex social groups, work in teams, wage wars, get high, and even take the p**s out of their mates. Physically, we're based on the same basic ideas as all mammals. Biochemically we're all but identical. To say that we are somehow different or above other creatures is completely irrational.


Ahh! Thanks for the input! I love such conversations(I am not sarcastic, please don't misuderstand!).
I believe intelligence is a matter of how you define it. IQ tests are inaccurate, because many people with high IQ might score low(aspies especially).
Yes, some animals are highly intelligent as you state, but as far as I know it doesn't evolve further than just that: mourning for the dead, constructing simple buildings, get high.
If animals were as intelligent as humans, they would've been driving around in cars by now, had religions etc...
I am not saying that any creature is more worth than another, and I hate animal cruelty. However, if animals were as intelligent as humans, our technologies would have been up to par IMO.