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DarthMetaKnight
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28 Oct 2012, 9:46 am

A while ago I was on the Anti-Defamation League website and I foud this quote.

"In a statement before the Senate Judiciary Committee in May 2004, John E. Lewis of the FBI's Counterterrorism Division noted the 'upswing in violent rhetoric and tactics' among ecoterrorists and said that in recent years ALF and ELF 'have become the most active criminal extremist elements in the United States.'"

http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/Ecoterrorism.asp

Does this mean that the Earth Liberation Front and the Animal Liberation Front are bigger terrorists than Muslims?


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28 Oct 2012, 10:28 am

I don't know. Have any ALF or ELF members ever blown themselves up in a market or flown any planes into buildings?


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28 Oct 2012, 10:46 am

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

Does this mean that the Earth Liberation Front and the Animal Liberation Front are bigger terrorists than Muslims?


The ELF and ALF people are bat sh*t crazy but they are generally not murders like the Jihadi Muslims. They are just plain wrong minded but they are not necessarily evil in being so.

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28 Oct 2012, 12:24 pm

No one has died in an ELF attack.



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28 Oct 2012, 2:47 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
"In a statement before the Senate Judiciary Committee in May 2004, John E. Lewis of the FBI's Counterterrorism Division noted the 'upswing in violent rhetoric and tactics' among ecoterrorists and said that in recent years ALF and ELF 'have become the most active criminal extremist elements in the United States.'"


As far as domestic terrorism goes, that is old data. The FBI is now concerned about right-wing terrorists, such as the sovereign citizens and patriots.


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28 Oct 2012, 2:52 pm

Pro-lifers. :lol:


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28 Oct 2012, 2:53 pm

Most use their time to change policy, which is fine, I don't agree with many of them but thats their right, but when change moves too slowly, they get them a bit antsy and do stupid s**t.

They do plot attacks and coordinate much like a terrorist group, and when done right, their damage is quite extensive. But they don't kill people. I wouldn't necessarily call them a terrorist group, and frankly, I wouldn't know what to call them period. If no one was at the PETA headquarters, and I blew it up, would that be considered a terrorist action? I've only harmed a building and much of their work, but no one was harmed... how do we define these things?


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28 Oct 2012, 2:57 pm

Fnord wrote:
I don't know. Have any ALF or ELF members ever blown themselves up in a market or flown any planes into buildings?


Exactly - the animal rights terrorists are insane a***holes but they generally don't murder crowdfuls of innocent people like jihadists, or blow up people in pubs or shoot people remembering their dead like nationalist terrorists. The main threats worldwide would be Islamist terrorists first and then probably nationalist and left-wing terrorists.

Oh, and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patterns_of_Global_Terrorism this is sort of telling. The Bush-Cheney administration canned it because it showed violent Islam to be the most intolerant, murderous grouping of the lot so they changed the methodology and prevented the real stated reasons of global terrorism from getting out.



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28 Oct 2012, 3:15 pm

Depends how you want to define terrorism. Its become little more than a loaded buzzword like 'freedom' and 'democracy'.The conventional understanding of the word only seems to apply to rebel or fringe political or religious movements. I've never understood why that was.

If we define terrorism as the application of violence to achieve political ends that would make the United States, the United Kingdom, Israel and Russia the most significant terrorist entities in more or less that order.

Explain to me how I'm wrong.



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29 Oct 2012, 12:20 pm

No one will prove you wrong because you are right. Bravo...



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29 Oct 2012, 1:41 pm

Giftorcurse wrote:
Pro-lifers. :lol:


When was the last time an abortion clinic was bombed?

Islamic bombers are everyday news. About once every five years some insane Christian bombs an abortion clinic or kills a doctor that does abortions.

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29 Oct 2012, 2:15 pm

The Federal Government or something like that...includes more then that. I hope this isn't a fascist nation yet and I am still allowed to say that. :lol:


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29 Oct 2012, 2:43 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Giftorcurse wrote:
Pro-lifers. :lol:


When was the last time an abortion clinic was bombed?

Islamic bombers are everyday news. About once every five years some insane Christian bombs an abortion clinic or kills a doctor that does abortions.

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It's funny, as soon as Obama was elected, the FBI starts scaremongering about right wing extremist/racist groups as the number one threat facing America.

Homegrown terrorism isn't really a problem in the US. Even Muslims are generally happy here, it is foreign Muslims who hate us.


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29 Oct 2012, 3:45 pm

blackelk wrote:

It's funny, as soon as Obama was elected, the FBI starts scaremongering about right wing extremist/racist groups as the number one threat facing America.

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I don't think it was scaremongering at all, the election of a black president was an unprecendented event with unprecedented levels of anger in the far right and white power circles. It took less to provoke the Timothy McVeigh bombing.



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29 Oct 2012, 3:48 pm

thomas81 wrote:
blackelk wrote:

It's funny, as soon as Obama was elected, the FBI starts scaremongering about right wing extremist/racist groups as the number one threat facing America.

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I don't think it was scaremongering at all, the election of a black president was an unprecendented event with unprecedented levels of anger in the far right and white power circles. It took less to provoke the Timothy McVeigh bombing.


Tell me sport, did anyone wearing bed sheets burn a cross on the White House lawn?

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29 Oct 2012, 3:50 pm

thomas81 wrote:
blackelk wrote:

It's funny, as soon as Obama was elected, the FBI starts scaremongering about right wing extremist/racist groups as the number one threat facing America.

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I don't think it was scaremongering at all, the election of a black president was an unprecendented event with unprecedented levels of anger in the far right and white power circles. It took less to provoke the Timothy McVeigh bombing.


Obama isn't black.